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AIBU to not force my son to go..

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SmallDragonfly · 30/08/2021 12:37

So this might be a long one so I apologise now.

I split from my ex husband 3 years ago. The end of the marriage was pure hell and walking away from 14 years of marriage was the best decision I made.
He sort of bucked up his ideas after I left and became a good dad to the children over those 3 years and built relationships with then that weren't there before. Late last year he met his new girlfriend. I was so happy for him, its his first relationship since I left so it was nice to see him actually happy. I was, I met someone and we are expecting a baby, I couldn't be happier and I wanted that for him too, although the person he turned into at the end of the marriage was horrendous, we eventually became friends for the kids after the split and co parented so much better than being together.

Things very quickly went down hill, and dispite being a mental health nurse, she mentally damaged my children's mental health to the point all 6 of them were asigned a family councillor by the school which they still see regularly. She physically hurt them, hid her belongings and accused them of stealing, convinced the younger 3 they were autistic and would shut them in their room, sitting in the room against the door so they couldn't get out as she assessed them. Convinced my ex they were all over weight and put them on vegan diets, kept kicking them out, even my 8yo. My 16yo over heard her convincing his dad that 2 of the children were horrible people and he didn't need them or their negativity in his lives. The list of crap they went through is endless.

She finally got her a way and a week before summer holidays on a Saturday afternoon I received an email, the only way my ex will now communicate with me dispite before we would chat via text like friends, saying as of next weekend I will no longer have the children with a whole list of excuses. Obviously I was over the moon, I had my babies at home where they were safe, wanted and loved. But my heart hurt for them.

He has said he will see the children for 6 hours on a Saturday to maintain a relationship with them but other than that, he doesn't want them in his house anymore. They even moved house without telling the children where they were going which upset the older 3 a little.

As you can imagine the children were hurt. Just being dropped like that for someone they didn't like very much, their dad went 3 weeks with no contact before seeing them on the Saturdays so they got confused and hurt over that too as he made no effort to reassure them that he loved them or anything, not one weekend has come and gone where all 6 children have gone. Hes lucky if he gets 2 or 3. When they are with him they just walk around town until its time to come home again.

My youngest who is 8 is adamant he doesn't want to see his dad again. Its been over 6 weeks now and everytime I mention are you going to see daddy this weekend he full on kicks off calling his dad an idiot saying his dad doesn't love him etc.. (there were a couple of nights at his dads near the end where if he was accused of stealing things by her, his dad would shut him in his room for bed early and wouldn't tell him he loved him as a punishment, when I questioned him on this he said to me if he's going to behave like that he doesn't deserve my love) every weekend when the older ones who have seen their dad come back they say dad says A has to stop being naughty and see him next week as he's upsetting dad and hurting his feelings. My ds is obviously hearing this and is still saying no. The ex has now suggested video calling him on Saturday so he can see him and ds point blank refuses to even consider it. I do try to encourage him but he gets so upset and worked up that I end up feeling guilty for pressuring him.

I know the ex and his family are now thinking I am encouring ds to not see him and "turning him against his dad" as the older ones have heard them talking about it, I've promised I'm not and so have the children but it falls on deaf ears. If I'm honest having them all go of for a few hours would give me a little break as I am 25 weeks pregnant and would love to do nothing for a few hours.

Aibu to not make him go dispite knowing how much it will upset him just to keep the ex happy? I do try my hardest to encourage him and tell him how much his dad misses him but he just gets angry ot upset saying daddy doesn't love him, hes an idiot and I hate him so I give up and wait until Saturday is a little closer and try again. His brothers and sisters have also offered to look after him if he goes so daddy can't hurt him (he's a smacker and ds used to flinch if you moved your hands to quickly around him, he no longer does that thankfully) and I've even offered bribes but he is certain he doesn't want to go. What would you do in this situation? Should I force him to go and deal with the consequences after? The hormones aren't helping at all. TIA

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Boredmotherofone · 30/08/2021 13:52

What the fuck have I just read? I'm sorry but in my personal opinion, you're as bad as his girlfriend for allowing them to go when you knew they were being abused! As a mother I'm in a state of shock here. I'm angry for you but bloody hell...... WHY did you let them go back????

Brollypackedforscottishholiday · 30/08/2021 14:02

Yabu to even consider facilitating any sort of relationship between ex and dc.

Let him convince a judge he is a decent df..
Block him.
Claim Cms.

Stripyhoglets · 30/08/2021 14:04

Don't make him go. I wouldn't be reassuring him that his dad loves him either. Its his dads job to do that not yours. And tbh I'm not sure his dad does from what you've said. Or if he does its a very damaging kind of love.
Its clear your ex is abusive.
If some still want to go that's fair enough but make sure they know that if they ever change their minds that's OK.
I hope you've kept records of everything that's happened should it go to court.
I'd advise the children are all provided with ongoing psychological support to process what has been done to them by dad.

MaybeNew · 30/08/2021 14:09

I was frightened of my Father as I had seen what he was capable of when he beat my DM in front of me. I was always made to go and all the family colluded into saying what a great dad he was. I used to say that I wanted to go because I was frightened of what would happen if I refused. I was always made to feel guilty if I expressed any reluctance. I took me a long time to understand the dynamics as an adult. I always felt guilty about saying no to what others wanted. It’s an awful way to live as an adult and took me years of frankly being taken advantage of by people to get therapy and work through it. This man does not deserve to see his children. He has failed them and the situation he has put them in is damaging to him. As for his family and their pressure on the OP, they should be ashamed of themselves. How they can side with a man who has allowed his children to be treated like that is unbelievable. They want the children to see him so that the father doesn’t seem the complete inadequate and shit he is to everyone else.

imjustsoworried · 30/08/2021 14:16

You shouldn't let any of the kids go. That's a huge safeguarding concern. I can't believe you're willingly letting your children 'choose' to see their abuser when it's not court ordered? What?!

SausageRollFan · 30/08/2021 14:19

I don't know why you're getting a hard time op. You cannot and should not stop your older children seeing him if they chose to do so. You are absolutely right to allow them to choose for themselves imo and no I wouldn't push the 8yo if he doesn't want too.

Eviethyme · 30/08/2021 14:20

I'd respect his decision. His dad has allowed them to be abused.

Protect him because he seems smart and deserves to live a life of not being disappointed by his dad

AnneLovesGilbert · 30/08/2021 14:23

It’s not just the 8 year old who’s being damaged by contact. So people are talking about what’s best for all of them.

They shouldn’t be seeing him at all. You should have stopped contact at the first hint of the abuse that’s been going on.

Your job is to protect them, all of them. Wanting a break from them because you’re having a seventh child and giving him an opportunity to traumatise them again doesn’t make you come across as terribly responsible or concerned about their safety and wellbeing.

Saoirse82 · 30/08/2021 14:28

I would have cut all contact a long time ago. But no, you should absolutely not encourage your 8 year old to go, no way!

nancybotwinbloom · 30/08/2021 14:48

I would t let any of them go. They hate it. He's being a shit dad. He's setting the worst example to them all.

Fuck that. Keep them home and let him take you to court.

Get your CMS sorted out also if you haven't already.

AhNowTed · 30/08/2021 14:53

Very difficult situation OP.

On the one hand you don't want to be accused of preventing the ex from having a relationship with his children.

And I'm currently on a thread where the mother is moving her children away from their father when the current arrangement is 50/50, and I thinks that's disgusting.

But your situation is entirely different.

God your ex is a weak man, allowing the new gf to dictate. Unfortunately it's all too depressingly common.

No, I wouldn't force your 8 year old to go.

nothingcanhurtmewithmyeyesshut · 30/08/2021 14:59

Are you off your fucking head?

Why would you encourage an 8 year old to spend time with a man who says he doesn't love him and hits him as a punishment? Yes ok the 16 yo you can't really control whether he sees him but the younger ones you could stop. You are sending your kids off to be abused week after week. If he was the resident parent, social services would be involved and I'm willing to bet that leaving the gf would be a condition of him keeping his kids.

You're their mother, you should be protecting them. The 8 year old shouldn't be having to refuse, you should be saying Hell no, let him go to court for supervised contact. It shouldn't be down to a young child to keep himself safe from being physically and emotionally abused. That is your job.

douliket · 30/08/2021 15:08

I'm sorry but nothing about this whole thing sounds right.
It's only been 3 years since the break up, and and way too much has happened already in these poor children's lives.
There dad has gone from being the most awful horrible person to an amazing dad and back to been horrible again.
They have had to live with both parents new partners,one of who abused them.
They have a new baby sibling on the way and a father who has moved away and won't tell them where he lives in case u drop them there.
So who actually wants them??
Oh my heart breaks for these kids.
I'm sorry but nothing adds up as normal here and certainly not what anyone's childhood should be.
Get professional support ASAP for all these children

Theunamedcat · 30/08/2021 15:42

"Huge safeguarding concern" this wouldn't meet threshold in my area and the response would be they dont see her now so its a non issue and allow the 8 year old to decide for themselves and be proactive in monitoring the situation

I literally went through this recently

SausageRollFan · 30/08/2021 15:57

A few weeks ago someone refused to pick up their kids from their ex - who had covid, regularly forgets to feed them and sleeps away half the day away ignoring the kids, because they wanted to go on a date and get a shag first and were lauded as the best parent ever. There's some seriously double standards in this place.

@douliket you obviously missed the bit where op said her kids already get counselling at school and there's literally nothing to suggest OP doesn't want her kids Hmm

AlmostSummer21 · 30/08/2021 16:05

@SmallDragonfly

I wouldn't allow the younger 4 to go! I wouldn't let them choose

He's lost the plot.

At most I'd allow them to FaceTime with him, once a week under supervision.

I'd also see if there's any counselling available for them. They'll all need it.

Theunamedcat · 30/08/2021 17:56

@SausageRollFan

A few weeks ago someone refused to pick up their kids from their ex - who had covid, regularly forgets to feed them and sleeps away half the day away ignoring the kids, because they wanted to go on a date and get a shag first and were lauded as the best parent ever. There's some seriously double standards in this place.

@douliket you obviously missed the bit where op said her kids already get counselling at school and there's literally nothing to suggest OP doesn't want her kids Hmm

She did collect them and got covid as a result

They had been there when he was infectious and realistically should have isolated with him

Steelesauce · 30/08/2021 18:12

@Theunamedcat

"Huge safeguarding concern" this wouldn't meet threshold in my area and the response would be they dont see her now so its a non issue and allow the 8 year old to decide for themselves and be proactive in monitoring the situation

I literally went through this recently

I've been through similar too and the only reason I got to keep my kids is because I'd stopped him seeing them well before social services picked up on the abuse (of the other children in his house). She lost her kids and both have been charged with child abuse. It is very serious!
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