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Have I done the right thing?

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namechangesorrrry · 29/08/2021 12:55

Hello all,

I posted about my dilemma a couple of months ago. But to reiterate, I have a 13 year old DS. My son's dad and I were very young parents. Throughout our 9 years together, he was physically, sexually and emotionally abusive to me.

Through no fault of his own, he had immigration problems and throughout my late teens/ early twenties, I would help him out as much as I can, e.g., give him money, living with us rent free, buying food etc. Luckily, the immigration awarded him temporary Visa (?) which he had to renew every 30 months. I suspect he would be applying for a British Passport this year or the next.

When he did finally start work, he would refuse to give DS money. He came up with many excuses ('I have debts', 'I have an overpayment that I need to pay back', 'I have lots of bills'). I became sick of the excuses and applied to Child Maintenance (CM), where they would give me around £300.00 a month. At that point, DS hadn't seen DS for 6 months (which was a regular occurrence throughout the years). Then at one point, DS's dad came to my home unannounced and demanded that I stop CM as they were taking out too much money. He threatened me that 'I should do this or else' and then his family members or friends will call me to stop CM and I gave in. DS's dad promised that he will send money directly to him. But he did not as you guessed.

When he did use to work, he would refuse to give me money for DS. He will make excuses that he has a lot of bills to pay, his in debt, blah blah. I got sick of it and applied to child maintenance where they were giving me £300.00 a month. DS dad came to my house unannounced one day and told me that as child maintained are taking his money through direct pay, he is actually paying more than £300.00. He threatened I should stop CM or else. He promised that he will pay CM directly. But he never did as you guessed.

Throughout our 10 years together. He would see DS intermittently. We were lucky if we saw him once every month. At most, DS wouldn't see his dad for 4/6 months at the time. Looking back on previous emails/text messages, I've realised that DS's dad would only get in contact where it was the time around that he had to renew his immigration papers.

Anywhoo, three years ago, DS dad realised his wrong doings and said that he would like to build a relationship with his son. Therefore, for a good two months, he was perfect, providing for DS, taking him out, helping me pick him up from school . However, he soon began to get comfortable and then assaulted me in my home, as well as my personal belongings. It went to court this year and he got served with probation.

Two months ago, I received a call from an immigration officer or advisor telling me that am I willing to write a statement on DS's dad behalf and if I was willing to provide a copy of DS's passport as he will be applying for a British passport this year and Home Office have asked information from me.

I told the officer no. That he is using my son and no that I will not allow it. The immigration advisor then asked me what was the contact like between our son and the dad, as dad claimed he not seen DS due to the lockdown (that is a lie). I told the officer that he hasn't seen DS for two years, mainly due to the injunction and incident but that I have instructed the court that he can have contact with DS, but it has to be supervised and that he would need to be the one to initiate it.

The immigration officer asked me again that if I was willing to provide a statement and I said "no", that I will not allow him to use his son. That he has not made any type of effort to be a father to his son. The immigration officer sounded very unhappy and quickly hanged up the phone.

Following the advice from some Mumsnetters and friends. I decided to write a simple letter to Immigration stating that DS as not seen his dad for x amount of years and that to please keep the information private due to risk of harm. I wrote the letter as I did not want ex to use immigration as way to get in/out of his son's life. Which is very unfair to DS.

Last week, Ex's brother contacted me and said that he was 'very upset' as DS's dad application for the Visa (?) got rejected and therefore he is unable to work. Immigration stated that the reason why they rejected his application is because they had received no information from me and had no idea what the relationship was like between his son and him, despite ex's claims. Apparently, DS's dad is in the process of appealing the decision.

I now feel worried and guilty. I'm worried about what would happen to me if DS's dad finds out about the letter. Would he find out about the letter if appealing? I also feel a bit guilty that I refused to write a letter about the relationship between DS's dad and his son and that maybe this would have helped Ds's dad application? I now feel bad that this has jeopardised any relationship DS would have with his dad. What should I do?

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ThreeLittleDots · 29/08/2021 13:01

Nothing. He's made his bed now he has to lie in it

Aprilx · 29/08/2021 13:02

I think I remember your previous post. I don’t think you were ever contacted by immigration, I think you were contacted by a migration specialist, i.e. somebody working commercially to assist with the process.

What to do? Doesn’t sound like you need to do anything other than carry on with your life and not get involved if you don’t have to. Obviously if you are contacted by a real immigration official and not an agent, then be truthful.

TheChip · 29/08/2021 13:08

YOU haven't done anything to jeopardise their relationship. He has done this. These are all consequences of HIS actions. Not yours.

Returnoftheowl · 29/08/2021 13:09

You haven't jeopardised any relationship between your DS and him, he's done that himself.
Don't let him guilt trip or manipulate you any further. He's already shown you who he is on multiple occasions, including refusing to pay maintenance, getting his family to strong arm you and being violent and abusive toward you. These are his choices and you shouldn't feel responsible for any of them.

namechangesorrrry · 29/08/2021 13:16

So I shouldn't write a letter of goodwill before things get sour? Ex's brother sort of implied this.

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FortVictoria · 29/08/2021 13:16

You’ve done absolutely the right thing, OP, which is tell the truth. You’ve been a good citizen and set a good example to your son. Shame on his father that he is trying to use his son to stay in the UK. As others have said, he brought this on himself. You have absolutely done the right thing, and have nothing to feel guilty about.

FortVictoria · 29/08/2021 13:17

And no, no letter of goodwill required!!

Unanananana · 29/08/2021 13:20

Do nothing. You have done the right thing for your son.

Your DSs dad has bought this on himself, these are the consequences.

You have nothing to feel guilty for. You have protected your child from his loser father.

namechangesorrrry · 29/08/2021 13:27

But I feel guilty about writing the letter. Would ex find out about it?

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RandomMess · 29/08/2021 13:27

I remember your last thread. Why are you open to being manipulated? Why do you feel sorry for a man that abused & assaulted you, has never taken a genuine interest in your son and never willingly paid a penny towards him?

Your ex has only ever used you and your DS to get a British passport/residency.

He is a USER your DS is most likely better off not ever having a relationship with him whimsy he is a child/young adult.

Thanks
ThreeLittleDots · 29/08/2021 13:29

Sounds like immigration didn't even get your letter, and if they've said to him they've had no contact from you then that won't change.

The point is though that you have nothing whatsoever to feel guilty about.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 29/08/2021 13:35

Why are you feeling guilty when you're being threatened by your ex and his family to assist with a frankly fraudulent application (as abusive criminals don't tend to fit the criteria for permanent status)?

I'd actually contact the police and have this harassment/threat recorded. And if that helps the Home Office to appropriately process his application, all well and good.

TheChip · 29/08/2021 13:35

I doubt ex would find out about it, but even if he did, so what. You haven't done anything wrong and have nothing to feel guilty about.

Does he feel guilty for how shit of a person/father he has been? Probably not.

FictionalCharacter · 29/08/2021 13:44

@namechangesorrrry

So I shouldn't write a letter of goodwill before things get sour? Ex's brother sort of implied this.
NO! You owe him nothing and have nothing to feel guilty about. Concentrate on your own life and your son’s.
notthemum · 29/08/2021 13:45

If you write anything that enables this disgusting man to get a passport that in my book makes you as bad as him.
He has abused you. Physically, emotionally, sexually and financially and you have let him do this.
You are still willing to let him see his child despite the attitude of him and his family. Do you want your son to grow up believing that you can treat people this way, that it is ok to lie to the authorities and to cheat your own child out of money they should have ? If you feel under any threat phone the police or womans aid. They will help you.
He has brought all this on himself. Let him deal with it. Keep yourself and your child safe.

Palavah · 29/08/2021 13:47

You've done the right thing. Go back through CMS and if he or anyone else threatens you then call the police. In fact I'd probably let the police know now.

NapoleonOzmolysis · 29/08/2021 13:49

Sounds like the immigration lawyer or charity he was using got your letter but couldn't use it because it didn't fit their made up narrative of a loving father, so no evidence regarding your son was used in his application.

Why are you worried about 'things getting sour' with someone who has assaulted you and been a shit father to your son? He's not bothered, is he.

CanofCant · 29/08/2021 13:52

I agree with flagging these threats up with the police. No, you don't owe him anything. He's had ample chances and blown them all and continued to abuse and assault you. He will never change and shouldn't be in your or your son's lives.

TurquoiseDragon · 29/08/2021 14:00

I'd flag this up with the police, threats and all. I'd also mention the "immigration officer" and their behaviour, as you won't be the only person they're trying this on with.

Aprilx · 29/08/2021 14:07

@namechangesorrrry

So I shouldn't write a letter of goodwill before things get sour? Ex's brother sort of implied this.
For goodness sake no!
namechangesorrrry · 29/08/2021 14:20

@NapoleonOzmolysis

Sounds like the immigration lawyer or charity he was using got your letter but couldn't use it because it didn't fit their made up narrative of a loving father, so no evidence regarding your son was used in his application.

Why are you worried about 'things getting sour' with someone who has assaulted you and been a shit father to your son? He's not bothered, is he.

I didn't send it to the immigration lawyer. I sent the letter directly to Home Office. The EX brother said that the immigration lawyer said that I was being uncooperative and that his refusal is solely down to me not providing a letter.

I feel guilty as I keep remembering the past. He had no job, no food, was practically homeless. I'm worried that he is now in that situation. I don't want him to end up killing himself.

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TheChip · 29/08/2021 14:31

He is not your responsibility. You have helped him enough, and for what? He has been awful to both you and your son. You don't owe him anything.

Chloemol · 29/08/2021 14:44

Listen

He is NOT your responsibility

YOU have already said in your post that you know he is only using his son for immigration purposes. You know he doesn’t care about his son, hasn’t seen him, has made no effort to contribute towards him

He is the perfect example of a dead beat dad and is not a good example for your child

Do not send any further letters supporting him, indeed if they come asking for more information you tell them the truth, he has not supported his child, he does not have any contact with his child, he assaulted you

Confusedandshaken · 29/08/2021 14:49

What could you truthfully say in a letter that would help him? If you tell the truth it would probably be more harmful to his application than no letter at all.

namechangesorrrry · 29/08/2021 14:59

@Confusedandshaken

What could you truthfully say in a letter that would help him? If you tell the truth it would probably be more harmful to his application than no letter at all.
That a month before the assault, he saw DS regularly for a month, picking him up after school, taking him to places, went on a school trip.
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