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namechangesorrrry · 29/08/2021 12:55

Hello all,

I posted about my dilemma a couple of months ago. But to reiterate, I have a 13 year old DS. My son's dad and I were very young parents. Throughout our 9 years together, he was physically, sexually and emotionally abusive to me.

Through no fault of his own, he had immigration problems and throughout my late teens/ early twenties, I would help him out as much as I can, e.g., give him money, living with us rent free, buying food etc. Luckily, the immigration awarded him temporary Visa (?) which he had to renew every 30 months. I suspect he would be applying for a British Passport this year or the next.

When he did finally start work, he would refuse to give DS money. He came up with many excuses ('I have debts', 'I have an overpayment that I need to pay back', 'I have lots of bills'). I became sick of the excuses and applied to Child Maintenance (CM), where they would give me around £300.00 a month. At that point, DS hadn't seen DS for 6 months (which was a regular occurrence throughout the years). Then at one point, DS's dad came to my home unannounced and demanded that I stop CM as they were taking out too much money. He threatened me that 'I should do this or else' and then his family members or friends will call me to stop CM and I gave in. DS's dad promised that he will send money directly to him. But he did not as you guessed.

When he did use to work, he would refuse to give me money for DS. He will make excuses that he has a lot of bills to pay, his in debt, blah blah. I got sick of it and applied to child maintenance where they were giving me £300.00 a month. DS dad came to my house unannounced one day and told me that as child maintained are taking his money through direct pay, he is actually paying more than £300.00. He threatened I should stop CM or else. He promised that he will pay CM directly. But he never did as you guessed.

Throughout our 10 years together. He would see DS intermittently. We were lucky if we saw him once every month. At most, DS wouldn't see his dad for 4/6 months at the time. Looking back on previous emails/text messages, I've realised that DS's dad would only get in contact where it was the time around that he had to renew his immigration papers.

Anywhoo, three years ago, DS dad realised his wrong doings and said that he would like to build a relationship with his son. Therefore, for a good two months, he was perfect, providing for DS, taking him out, helping me pick him up from school . However, he soon began to get comfortable and then assaulted me in my home, as well as my personal belongings. It went to court this year and he got served with probation.

Two months ago, I received a call from an immigration officer or advisor telling me that am I willing to write a statement on DS's dad behalf and if I was willing to provide a copy of DS's passport as he will be applying for a British passport this year and Home Office have asked information from me.

I told the officer no. That he is using my son and no that I will not allow it. The immigration advisor then asked me what was the contact like between our son and the dad, as dad claimed he not seen DS due to the lockdown (that is a lie). I told the officer that he hasn't seen DS for two years, mainly due to the injunction and incident but that I have instructed the court that he can have contact with DS, but it has to be supervised and that he would need to be the one to initiate it.

The immigration officer asked me again that if I was willing to provide a statement and I said "no", that I will not allow him to use his son. That he has not made any type of effort to be a father to his son. The immigration officer sounded very unhappy and quickly hanged up the phone.

Following the advice from some Mumsnetters and friends. I decided to write a simple letter to Immigration stating that DS as not seen his dad for x amount of years and that to please keep the information private due to risk of harm. I wrote the letter as I did not want ex to use immigration as way to get in/out of his son's life. Which is very unfair to DS.

Last week, Ex's brother contacted me and said that he was 'very upset' as DS's dad application for the Visa (?) got rejected and therefore he is unable to work. Immigration stated that the reason why they rejected his application is because they had received no information from me and had no idea what the relationship was like between his son and him, despite ex's claims. Apparently, DS's dad is in the process of appealing the decision.

I now feel worried and guilty. I'm worried about what would happen to me if DS's dad finds out about the letter. Would he find out about the letter if appealing? I also feel a bit guilty that I refused to write a letter about the relationship between DS's dad and his son and that maybe this would have helped Ds's dad application? I now feel bad that this has jeopardised any relationship DS would have with his dad. What should I do?

OP posts:
NeverDropYourMoonCup · 29/08/2021 15:03

You're being an idiot. He is not a good person. For a couple of weeks of pretending to be interested whilst getting ready to apply for permanent leave until his desire to be violent to you got more appealing, you're feeling guilty?

He's going to be refused permanency because hes a violent criminal. Not because you didn't lie for him.

No boy needs a violent abusive criminal using them to get what they want in their lives.

huuskymam · 29/08/2021 15:09

He is only stepping up as a responsible father now to get a letter to support his application. If he gets what he wants, he'll dump your son again. Don't let him or his brother force you into writing a lie for him. Think back of the years of abuse you suffered, and all the times he didn't want contact with your son.

CanofCant · 29/08/2021 15:23

That a month before the assault, he saw DS regularly for a month, picking him up after school, taking him to places, went on a school trip.

But then he assaulted you, the mother of his son so any 'positive' behaviour he had shown has now been negated. It means absolutely nothing. Less than nothing because it was just an act.

Confusedandshaken · 29/08/2021 15:29

I don't think telling them that he saw his son regularly for one month 2 years ago would convince them that he was a good dad. Just the opposite.

44PumpLane · 29/08/2021 15:33

You have a 13 year old son and all you couod legitimately muster to say in a positive light is that for ONE MONTH BEFORE HE ASSAULTED YOU, he wasnt entirely shit.

So put of 13 years of being a parent, you got one decent month before he then assaulted you again.

Do not under any circumstances help this man in any way, do not write a positive letter, do not lie for him, he and his family are teying to guilt and manipulate you..do not let them!!

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 29/08/2021 15:33

OP you literally said in your first post that you realised he was seeing you and his son when he had to renew his visa.

You also said further down that he was seeing your son for a month - when he was applying to stay! Same thing!

He then showed his true colours again by assaulting you.

For your and your sons sake don't lie and write a nice letter about him. You told the truth which is the right thing to do, anything else is on him

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 29/08/2021 15:40

That a month before the assault, he saw DS regularly for a month, picking him up after school, taking him to places, went on a school trip.

One month out of how many?! And only because his immigration is due?
You owe this shite of a man NOTHING.

namechangesorrrry · 29/08/2021 15:57

His almost completed the domestic perpetrator course, and had not missed a session. His brother told me that he is missing DS. I have a strong feeling that he has regretted what he has done.

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WhenISnappedAndFarted · 29/08/2021 16:00

How can he miss someone he hardly ever saw?

He hardly paid for his son, only because he was forced by CMS and even then he and his family got you to remove it.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2021 16:00

@namechangesorrrry

His almost completed the domestic perpetrator course, and had not missed a session. His brother told me that he is missing DS. I have a strong feeling that he has regretted what he has done.
Bollocks. You wouldn't have been threatened by his brother if that were the case.
CanofCant · 29/08/2021 16:01

No, I think your judgement is clouded when it comes to him. I understand that you both go back a long way but I wouldn't trust him. His history shows that he only acts in a way that benefits him.

How does DS feel about his dad? Do you honestly think it is beneficial for him to have contact with him? Will your ex be consistent in his contact?

Wannakisstheteacher · 29/08/2021 16:06

Don’t be taken for a fool. He doesn’t care about his son, he cares about getting his passport and needs your son for that.

The rest of us don’t want to support this dead beat Dad, so do everyone a favour.

Iflyaway · 29/08/2021 16:41

I have a strong feeling that he has regretted what he has done.

Of course he does because he has fucked his chances.

If you support him in getting what he wants, i.e. to stay in UK, you and your son will just get more of the same.

As a solo mum with an abusive dead-beat dad, you really don't need him in your life. Mine is an adult now and he's very sorted in his life. Dread to think how he would have turned out if dad had been in the picture.

The bottom line? You don't "owe" him anything. He;s an adult who can take care of himself.

Put your energies into your own family, i.e. you and your son.

TheChip · 29/08/2021 16:45

Please stay strong OP. The manipulation is blinding you.

RandomMess · 29/08/2021 18:40

He only regrets that his behaviour may have cost him his visa. He managed a few weeks of decent start up contact before he attacked you...

namechangesorrrry · 29/08/2021 18:50

I feel sad as DS, over the years, has been asking me that he wants to see his dad, that why hadn't he got in contact. What do I do if DS finds out that his dad could have stayed in his life if I were to write a letter which would have helped with his stay?

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2021 18:58

@namechangesorrrry

I feel sad as DS, over the years, has been asking me that he wants to see his dad, that why hadn't he got in contact. What do I do if DS finds out that his dad could have stayed in his life if I were to write a letter which would have helped with his stay?
Oh, I don't know - show him the paperwork for the restraining order ?
CanofCant · 29/08/2021 19:04

DS's dad doesn't see him regardless though does he? Even if he does stay in the country there is no guarantee that he will keep in contact and that any contact DS does receive will be healthy and worthwhile.

You also need to protect yourself. God knows what he might do next.

Polmuggle · 29/08/2021 19:08

@namechangesorrrry

I feel sad as DS, over the years, has been asking me that he wants to see his dad, that why hadn't he got in contact. What do I do if DS finds out that his dad could have stayed in his life if I were to write a letter which would have helped with his stay?
You tell him that he has years to do that? That he constantly let his son down, refused to provide for him. That he sexually, emotionally and physically abused his son's mother. That he couldn't be bothered to pursue contact with his child unless he could gain from it.
Polmuggle · 29/08/2021 19:09

Honestly OP your sons would be MILES better off without this man in his life. He's an awful human and would be a disastrous role model.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 29/08/2021 19:17

He sounds like a complete shit. If you enable him to stay in the UK you can expect more of the same. No/late maintenance, inconsistent effort with DS and abuse to you.

RandomMess · 29/08/2021 19:24

You be honest with your DS about his Dad's behaviour.

Givemethatknife · 29/08/2021 23:02

You need to be honest about your ex as you have been. You need to be honest with your son about his father (in an age appropriate way) and when he’s older he can make up his own mind. You should not feel guilty about being honest - you have been dealt a shitty hand in life with his guy and if he gets deported it will be a great weight off your back and will make no odds to your son.

Don’t take any notice of any of his thug family saying they know it had something to do with you - they don’t. They are just making things up to scare you. Blank him and his thug mates.

Do tell the police/women’s aid / social services about your fears and the threats. To take care of your son you need to take care of yourself first, don’t waste any pity on this man.

Peace43 · 29/08/2021 23:09

He is not your responsibility. He is not a nice man and he doesn’t have a good relationship with his son. You think you should lie to the courts? You should lie to immigration? No, you should tell the truth (as you have done). As you have nothing nice to say continue to say nothing.

blacksax · 29/08/2021 23:31

I remember your previous thread. Your ex was awful, and now his brother is trying to intimidate you as well. Don't fall for it. Think about how he treated you. He does not deserve your help or your sympathy in any way.

Perhaps your DS is now old enough to start learning the real truth about his dad and what he did to you. In age-appropriate terms, of course.

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