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AIBU - no being able to forgive my MIL?

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beboopbadoop · 27/08/2021 19:51

I'm struggling a bit with this at the moment and it's really difficult because my DH thinks I'm being unreasonable and that I irrationally hold onto things - maybe I do, but I don't know how to let go of them, and they are starting to eat away at me.

So basically my MIL and I have had a difficult relationship at times. These are the main points I get stuck on (sorry for the very long post!)

About 5 years ago: About a week after my DH proposed (after being together for 5 years) we met up with his parents at this outdoor event. When we arrived I was in the car talking to my MIL's sister (who is really lovely). She works at a wedding venue so we were talking about how maybe we could look into it for our wedding. I was excited about being engaged and it was nice to talk about some plans, even though we weren't thinking about getting married for a year or so. My MIL came up to the car and I rang off the phone, said hello, and said oh I was just on the phone to your sister, we were talking about maybe using where she works as the wedding venue. My MIL cut me off and said 'Oh I don't want to talk about that now, why do we have to talk about that now?' and I was a bit surprised but said ok and we all walked together to the event. Then later she starts saying that we wouldn't be getting married for a while so we don't need to think about it now, why do I have to start planning so early, weddings are so expensive, why do you have to spend so much money (I hadn't booked anything at this point). I was kind of upset because I was excited about being engaged and this was the first time I'd seen my husband's parents since he proposed so I thought it would be nicer. Anyway, later she'd had a few drinks and started saying to my FIL - 'why haven't you ever asked me to marry you?' (they're not married)? and I was like 'ok I get it now, I don't think her reaction is actually to do with me' but I was kind of pissed off that she was taking the nice edge off being newly engaged for me. Later on we go back to their house for dinner, and through the whole dinner my MIL kept talking about how if I had children I wouldn't breastfeed and would 'just feed them from jars' how I wouldn't cook proper food for them - she kept going on about it and it really upset me - not because I think there is anything wrong with not breastfeeding etc, just that she meant it in a mean way towards me. I'm terrible at confrontation so didn't say anything, but got really upset in the car on the way home. My DH said he hadn't realised anything was wrong but he rang her and said that I was really upset and she came over and said sorry and was crying but that it was to do with something else (not sure why I was bearing the brunt of whatever else was going on but hey ho). I was still upset but decided to just move on with life.

Then, when we did eventually get married I really enjoyed organising it and making stuff. I spent quite a while on the table plan and consulted my husband about his family members and who should sit where because I didn't know some of them that well. The day before the wedding we were finishing everything off and family and friends came to help. My BIL saw the table plan and kicked up a fuss because he was sitting near some family members he didn't like (my husband hadn't mentioned anything about this). My BIL said he wouldn't sit there and literally moved his place name and knife and fork to the corner of another table but all the tables had 10 places so it was really squished in. I got upset and was saying that the meal is only an hour or 2 so couldn't he just deal with it for a couple of hours ( my BIL was in his mid 20s at this point) because I'd spent a lot of time making the table plan and the tables were equally laid out. My DH was being a bit wishy washy about it and not saying anything, and I got really upset and went and cried in the car BUT nobody knew I was there - while I was there I heard my MIL slagging me off to my husband, saying I should have thought about it more etc, my DH was pretty weak and didn't back me up. He found me eventually and I told him I had heard everything they had said, and was really angry and upset (the night before my wedding!). Only at that point did he go and say that his brother had to sit there, it would only be for a short amount of time etc. I was supposed to go for dinner with my bridesmaids but this whole event took over and I ended up having take away pizza at home with them and I spent the night before my wedding exhausted with a red puffy face.

Next - this is the most unforgivable thing and I don't think I will ever get over it. I have previously posted about it before on here: Last year I had a stillbirth. We live abroad now away from family. About a week after the birth my parents came to visit, they booked a hotel, they gave me space when I needed it (which was a lot) and were happy to just be there for me when I needed them to be and brought books to read when I needed the space. My BIL was very kind and offered to visit us and look after us/cook for a few days and he offered to stay in an Airbnb - in the end he didn't come but it was a really nice offer. My PIL came to visit and my husband said that they couldn't stay in our 1 bedroom apartment because I felt I needed the space to cry and grieve in private when I felt I had to. His Mum made a fuss about how they couldn't stay with us but booked somewhere else. They arrived the evening of our baby's funeral. The next day we met up and went out for a walk but his Mum kept bringing up the fact we said they couldn't stay in our flat. She also said ''you wouldn't expect your brother to stay in an airbnb would you?' and I felt like saying 'yes we would, but we didn't need to as he offered to stay in an airbnb because he isn't an horribly insensitive person like you.' but once again, I didn't say anything - I know I should've but I was in such a state after losing the baby, going through birth and burying our baby boy in a foreign country that I just wanted to get away from her. My husband didn't say much but to be fair he was also struggling and traumatised from the whole experience. I was absolutely livid and walked away and ignored her for the rest of the day. She kept saying 'oh we came too soon, you're not ready for us to visit' and I wanted to scream 'f**k you - it's your behaviour that's causing the problem' but I didn't. Also when they were here after losing the baby I was talking about my experience, and my MIL interrupted me to have a joke with my FIL about something he was doing in the kitchen, literally whilst I was in the middle of talking about my stillbirth. I cried a lot about that time because I felt that even after I had a stillbirth, she still had to be the centre of attention and that my needs came second.

Anyway, fast forward to now and I'm pregnant again - 8 months. It's been a tough time for me and my husband because we haven't seen any family since last year and the covid lockdowns and restrictions whilst grieving for a baby and dealing with the anxieties of being pregnant again have been hard. A few months ago we were hoping family could visit - My parents offered to stay in a hotel again but in the end due to delta I said no visitors from the UK as I wasn't vaccinated at that point. My parents just said 'ok no worries, we'll come when you feel ready'. Then I had to have a long and painful conversation with my PIL about it and my MIL kept on about how she wasn't scared of getting the virus, and comparing me to other pregnant family members (who's experiences are totally different from mine) and how they would be ok with it. I felt frustrated that I can't just say 'I don't want visitors at the moment because I'm pregnant and feel vulnerable and the numbers are going up in the UK' and she just accepts it. My husband literally said nothing the whole call and I got really angry afterwards because I am fed up of it only being me saying something.

So now I will be double vaccinated and my parents are visiting and my PIL would like to visit but my husband is afraid of telling them they can't stay here (I still don't want anyone to stay and especially not after the way they behaved last time.) My husband is currently off work sick due to stress (I think partially due to the difficult circumstances of the last year) and so I don't feel I can really push him on this right now but I really want to get it sorted.

As I write this I know that it's really up to my husband to deal with this but his mother is really overbearing and both he and his sister have quite bad anxiety I think from childhood trauma of having such an overbearing mum. Both my DH and FIL both just go along with it because it means their lives are easier. Also it's not like she's this horrible witch the whole time, she can be kind and generous and has helped us in different ways, but I think she always has to been the centre of attention and how she feels and what she wants to do is the most important thing to her.

I feel like she has messed up every major thing I've gone through with my husband with her selfishness and inability to think that other people may think differently to her. I don't want her to do the same with this experience with my rainbow baby but don't know how to stop it from happening. When I talk to my husband he says I should let things go but I said I will never let go of the stillbirth incident. I hate how he makes it seem like I am being overly sensitive (perhaps with the first 2 incidents but definitely not the third) and it's easier for him to shift everything on to me rather than just be firm with his mother - upsetting me is easier to deal with than upsetting his mum. I worry that in the future my MIL will want to do something dangerous (for example take small children in the car without a car seat - something she tried to do with our niece) and that my husband won't have the balls to stand up to her about it if I'm not there.

AIBU? If so, how do I work through this, and if not, how can I stop it from happening in the future. Would appreciate any advice!

OP posts:
Guineapigbridge · 28/08/2021 08:15

@rockaround

I see why it's difficult to stand up to her. You are trying to keep the peace and make things better but there is no point because she doesn't like you. It's not about you she wouldn't like any DIL so remember this. Nothing you do will change her opinion of you so you might as well stand up for yourself and get what you want rather than continuing to try to please her and ending up unhappy. It is not unreasonable to ask her to stay elsewhere so just tell her and be firm. Be polite and friendly but firm.

Good luck.

^this^
AgentJohnson · 28/08/2021 08:23

She sounds a right pain but you do need to accept that this is who she is. There’s not another version of her waiting around the corner and if your DH suffers from anxiety, him standing up to her will be difficult for him. Your boundaries are your responsibility to maintain. Don’t get suckered into deep and pointless conversations with her, no is a complete sentence.

You’re not going to win her over or get through to her but you can state your boundaries and follow through with consequences, if she over steps. You need to learn to not give a fuck, she certainly doesn’t.

Brighterblighter · 28/08/2021 08:26

Double shot cappuccino

I can see your advice is well meaning, but it's very outdated and sexist.

It's not a female role to organise a man's family to keep in touch. It's his family and his job!

Can you possibly explain why it's a dil job?
And why should she over communicate?
. And then after usually bridging a gap between a son and his own dm... You then advise that dil must not expect to be treated kindly or as family?

Is there any other advise.. Should she lie down in front of puddles so they can walk over?

stillsleeptraining · 28/08/2021 08:28

I'm so sorry about your son. It must have been such an awful time and so painful now too.

In response to the "DH problem" - I wonder what's happening for him. My DH is courageous, kind and always has my back, but I could imagine him being silent in such cases if the only way to get a word in was to be aggressive or argue. He might go back later when things are calmer, but he would have to get really riled up and upset to participate in an argument at the time.

Re MIL - she sounds like she just can't bear not being centre of attention. If she can't even muster a congratulations when you get engaged, she obviously found it unbearable. In your place, I would have a tolerant, distant relationship but think of her as a toxic presence that can't be fixed and would protect my family from her.

It might get worse once there's a kid, because everything is about them and not the grandparent. She's probably going to find that very, very difficult. Especially accepting that you'll be the centre of your little family and not her.

Twiglets1 · 28/08/2021 08:30

Couldn’t read all that, it was too long. But from the first couple of paragraphs, your problem is your husband more than your mother in law. He is weak and doesn’t stand up for you. So I think your continued resentment towards your mother in law is a symptom of your inner anger at him.

Whyo · 28/08/2021 08:32

@Twiglets1 your mind is going to be blown when you find out about books.

Brighterblighter · 28/08/2021 08:38

~^

Why would you tag someone else to make such a ridiculous comment?

CutePanda · 28/08/2021 09:03

You and your DH need to start standing up for yourselves and each other. You can’t complain about your MIL until you AND DH start opening your mouths and pointing out that MIL’s behaviour is unacceptable.

Twiglets1 · 28/08/2021 10:02

Pathetic- I’m a big reader as it happens but this was too much waffle to get to the point. Pretty obvious the MIL is a bitch but so is mine and my husband supports me doesn’t pretend not to notice when things have happened over the years that have upset me. His attitude is the real problem IMO so I’m surprised OP is focussing on whether her resentment towards her MIL is reasonable or not. Of course it’s reasonable but that isn’t the biggest problem in her life.

Ibizan · 28/08/2021 10:14

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Falleybollolo · 28/08/2021 11:12

I'm so sorry for your loss and wish you all good luck for the next step.

I'm amazed at some of the comments here.

Your mil is a textbook narcissist who has emotionally abused her own children and dp for decades.
She is now doing the same to you by trampling over your thoughts, feelings, emotions and boundaries. No wonder you can't let these horrible occasions go when she has ruined intimate occasions including your sons funeral with her utterly dogmatic focus on her own wants and needs. I would suggest reading about narcissists and the tactics they use (mainly, fear, obligation and guilt) and work out how to set rigid boundaries with her. You don't have a dh problem so much as a traumatised adult I would say who is in need of support and maybe that should be therapy. Or have a look at Nicole La Peras work on self healing and her book called 'how to do the work'.
I wish you the best of luck with it all.

VeganCheesePlease · 28/08/2021 11:28

I'm so sorry about your son. I too am an angel mama to a son so I completely understand your pain and congratulations on your pregnancy!
I think, to echo PP you both have a bit of an issue here. Your MIL sounds like a massive PITA but if you won't challenge her behaviour, or tell her you're not happy, she won't change. FIL and DH sound a bit spineless to be honest.

MyCatDribbles · 28/08/2021 11:41

OP it’s time to be very assertive with your PIL.
I, too, had a still birth last year and the aftermath was horrific. But I knew I basically just couldn’t cope with anything even slightly tricky so DP shielded me and dealt with any shit from his family. Namely his dad, who he didn’t even tell about the funeral because he simply couldn’t risk him saying anything that might upset me whilst I was enduring the most difficult time in my life. Yes it is traumatic for the men, but as a mother the whole experience takes us to the limit.
Even now his dad will say inappropriate things and dp will pull him up on it every time.

Do not give them opportunities to hurt you, and your dp needs to pull them up on it. I’m also now pregnant again and very nervous re covid that I’m so anal about mask wearing and social distancing that I don’t give a flying fuck why others might not understand that after everything we’ve been through, it’s our way or the highway.
Anyway I wish you the very best of luck with your pregnancy x

doubleshotcappuccino · 28/08/2021 12:31

@Brighterblighter I see your point and how my advice can be viewed as sexist .. but honestly it's more strategic and pragmatic. I want the GPS to have a role and updates on DCs but realise the dynamic is not the same as it for parents. It's hugely liberating to realise that - to keep in touch but at arms length but not get hurt when they leave me out or don't include me for the highs or lows -

Nsky · 28/08/2021 12:42

I am very sorry about your son, and that future measures for you current pregnancy have/ are being taken.
You just need to be firm, my ex mother in law ( 5 yrs ago) kicked off about my sons wedding, and wanting one of my brothers and sister in law to be. There
Instead of my parents who had been killed two months before, I told to stop being so selfish and had an apology

QueenBee52 · 28/08/2021 13:15

omg this is truly shocking appalling behaviour ...

why is everyone allowing this woman to piss all over their lives ..

You either tell your DH to sort this out now or tell them not to bother coming... stand together now 🌸

Brighterblighter · 28/08/2021 13:15

Double check shot, so why isn't it your dh doing it?
How do your dc view your being treated like an outsider, what will they think when your disrespectful in laws bitch about you! And they see dogs body mum running around after them? Dad doing absolutely zilch and probably doesn't like the them

QueenBee52 · 28/08/2021 13:15

Im so sorry to read of the loss of your Child 🌸

SnackSizeRaisin · 28/08/2021 14:21

Unfortunately mil has ruined the relationship forever as you are unlikely to forgive her unless she genuinely apologises. I agree with pp that you have to start being much more blunt and direct. Don't worry about being rude. Just say it like it is " we don't want anyone staying over" "is fine, be firm and cheerful and don't get into a discussion. Probably she will start treating you with more respect if you can stand up to her. Think in advance how you will phrase your response to any likely issues

lazylinguist · 28/08/2021 14:44

I see why it's difficult to stand up to her. You are trying to keep the peace and make things better but there is no point because she doesn't like you. It's not about you she wouldn't like any DIL so remember this. Nothing you do will change her opinion of you so you might as well stand up for yourself and get what you want rather than continuing to try to please her and ending up unhappy. It is not unreasonable to ask her to stay elsewhere so just tell her and be firm. Be polite and friendly but firm.

Great advice. If your keeping quiet and letting her get away with it were enabling a pleasant, cordial, happy relationship between you all, then it might be worth it (at a push). But it's not, is it? Your dh clearly isn't going to stand up for you, so it's time you did it. Don't set out to re-hash old conflicts, but next time she's out of line, tell her clearly that you will not tolerate any more of her rudeness and selfishness. And give past examples if necessary.

Notaroadrunner · 28/08/2021 14:59

Start showing your inner anger. Stop pandering to the bitch. Your Dh is not going to suddenly change overnight. He needs a shit load of therapy to overcome the way he has been brought up by her. So you need to take the reins. Stop being in contact with her regularly for a start. She lives in another country so won't just land on your doorstep if you don't answer the phone. Start creating that distance now. Why were both of you even on the call? If Dh wants to chat to his parents then off with him, you don't need to be involved.

You live in a one bed apartment - you don't need to make excuses for why the tight fuckers can't stay with you as there's simply no space. So nobody stays with you and let that be the message to both sides of the family.

Remember you married Dh not his family! You are not obliged to have a relationship with his family and the fact you are in a different country makes that a lot easier. If and when they do visit your country, they stay somewhere else and you can then choose to visit them, meet up with them, when you wish.

billy1966 · 28/08/2021 16:41

I am so very sorry for your horrific loss.

I mean this kindly but you have married a dud.

He has been bullied by his mother and now instead of standing up to her to protect you at your most vulnerable he chooses to bully you, accuse you of sensitivity, in effect stand behind his wife's skirts because he is afraid of doing the right thing.

You poor woman, you deserve so much better.

I wouldn't want that awful woman near me.

I wouldn't want a husband like that either.

I'm so very sorry.

Perhaps you should tell him visit his mother as you don't want her near you.

That is what I would do.

Could you visit your parents when they are due?Flowers

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