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To think its almost IMPOSSIBLE to make fudge? Any fudge makers -advice needed!

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RVN123 · 26/08/2021 16:30

Hi all.
I'm a very experienced home baker. I'm not used to things not turning out as they should and so I'm very annoyed at myself.

Up until a few months ago though, I'd never made fudge because I personally just don't like it much. However, I've been asked by a good friend to make whisky fudge for wedding favours.
Over the last few months I've been making many batches with varying degrees of success. I've scoured every fudge website known to man for tips and tricks (though some are completely contradictory ie stir continuously vs not stirring at ALL while it cooks - I've tried both of these methods, neither worked).
I tried condensed milk fudge from an online recipe and it refused to set up, ended up with a sloppy pale sticky mess.
The recipe I've settled on is 'Old Fashioned Whisky Fudge'. Ingredients are double cream, butter, milk, golden caster sugar, muscovado sugar, and finally the whisky (see below).
My main problem is getting the fudge to be hard enough, as it needs to hold it's shape when cut into small squares at room temperature - its going into favour boxes that I've also made to hold it.
The recipe says it will keep for two weeks if covered, and that its not necessary to refrigerate it (though you can).

So, WHY is the fudge too soft?

  1. After a few failed attempts ending with a sloppy non setting blob, I reduced the liquid in the recipe, ie completely took out the milk, used extra thick double cream instead of regular double cream, reduced the butter, and reduced the already small amount of whisky.
  2. I used a candy thermometer (calibrated with boiling water so I know its showing the correct temperature) to get to 244 degrees F which the recipe states, slightly higher than normal to allow for the addition of alcohol. I make sure it's not touching the base of the pan and is in the fudge itself to not get a false reading.
  3. I beat it at the cooling stage until my arm is falling off, approx 15 minutes, until it thickens and looses its sheen. I also had one batch where I used an electric mixer, it turned into a seperated yet gritty oily mess. Now I am sticking to the wooden spoon method.
  4. I set at room temperature, not the fridge, as according to most websites you should not set fudge in the fridge. Something to do with sugar crystal formation. It's still far too soft even if left overnight.
  5. I let it cool to approx 230F before beginning the beating process, according to the recipe.
  6. I've made it only on dry days as I read that fudge making is affected by the weather! Humidity and rain can affect the fudge apparently. Although that is maybe only what bad fudge makers say!

The recipe I'm using is

400ml double cream
150g butter
100ml milk
300g golden caster sugar
300g light muscovado sugar
3 tablespoons whisky

I've eliminated the milk, reduced the butter and the whisky. It's still far too soft to cut into squares. Ideally I want a very firm fudge with a bit of bite.

WHAT am I doing wrong? Any fudge makers out there with any advice? I'm starting to get nervous as the favours are needed in 3 weeks and I need to make at least 8 batches. It's costing me a small fortune every time I screw it up. I'm honestly a good baker, I just cannot conquer fudge.
Thanks.

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BroccoliFloret · 27/08/2021 08:08

The Rodda's recipe worked perfectly for me, @BarbaraofSeville. Fudge, toffee, tablet and so on though is SO temperamental that I sometimes think that just looking at it in the wrong way causes it not to work.

FlyingPandas · 27/08/2021 08:09

No advice sorry OP but I have to say I agree with @BarbaraofSeville. You sound like a lovely, lovely friend and you have gone above and beyond already but you must have spent a fortune and be incredibly stressed. I feel stressed just reading about all your failed attempts!

Does the bride know how much trouble you’re having? Is she paying you for all the ingredients or are you just doing it all as a favour (excuse the pun!) to her? At the very least, I think you need to pre-warn her that you’ve tried multiple times but that you’re really struggling and might have to resort to a plan b (ie buy someone else’s home made fudge!) if you don’t achieve success soon. If she’s a good friend (which she presumably is) she won’t be wanting you to have to deal with all this stress and frustration.

Sparklyboots · 27/08/2021 08:15

Try cooking the whiskey down a bit before you add it - to stop the alcohol doing its alchemy? So making your own whiskey essence, basically

RickOShay · 27/08/2021 08:21

I feel your pain so much. I love crumbly fudge. But I’ve never got it right. Thank you for this thread and I hope all goes well this afternoon.

FreeBritnee · 27/08/2021 08:34

@SpindleWhorl

This is William Curley's. You can go on his website and find the recipe.

Or ....

He sells it. He sells it, mate.

Grin
BarbaraofSeville · 27/08/2021 08:40

@BroccoliFloret

The Rodda's recipe worked perfectly for me, *@BarbaraofSeville*. Fudge, toffee, tablet and so on though is SO temperamental that I sometimes think that just looking at it in the wrong way causes it not to work.
To be fair, I don't think I boiled it for long enough. I did think I'd got to the soft ball stage but I haven't made fudge for years and have vague recollections of following instructions in DMs massive 'cookery bible given to women on their wedding day' where it explained soft and hard balls etc and I couldn't be arsed to google or look on Youtube.

I was only using up the rest of a tub of clotted cream, because when you don't want to just sit and eat it with a spoon, the best way to avoid this is to boil it up with a load of sugar and golden syrup Grin.

But it is very nice and nicely grainy, which is my fudge preference, just too soft.

GoogleWhacked · 27/08/2021 08:46

You're an amazing friend! I hope the bride to be appreciates all this effort (and expense!)

DiplodocusRex · 27/08/2021 09:09

Microwave fudge is so easy and so delicious! I’m also an experienced baker and I’ll never admit IRL that I make this in the microwave 😂

To think its almost IMPOSSIBLE to make fudge? Any fudge makers -advice needed!
itssarcasmjoan · 27/08/2021 09:35

I hope you are charging her for all your practice and time!

TellMeHowYouMet · 27/08/2021 11:19

@DiplodocusRex

Microwave fudge is so easy and so delicious! I’m also an experienced baker and I’ll never admit IRL that I make this in the microwave 😂

Recipe please??!!!!

Kiwi09 · 27/08/2021 12:09

I make a Russian fudge recipe.

Despite what the recipe says I stir it constantly and it takes about 18-20min to reach soft-boil stage, not anywhere near the 5min they put in the recipe.

The first time I made it I didn’t use a thermometer and it didn’t set. I now use a thermometer I got at Lakeland I think and it works well every time.

haba · 27/08/2021 12:15

Well, if nothing else, at least when you've perfected the recipe you'll be able to set-up a side hustle! Grin

DiplodocusRex · 27/08/2021 12:51

@TellMeHowYouMet

1 can condensed milk
100 g butter
500 ml castor sugar
5 ml vanilla extract

Mix the condensed milk, butter and sugar together into a large microwave proof bowl and cook for 2 minutes.

Take the bowl out and stir. Put it back in for 10-15 minutes, stopping every minute or so to mix. When the mixture has turned darkish (golden caramel), thick and bubbly mix in the vanilla extract. Pour into a lightly greased container and leave to set. Voila!

hocusspocuss · 27/08/2021 13:05

[quote DiplodocusRex]@TellMeHowYouMet

1 can condensed milk
100 g butter
500 ml castor sugar
5 ml vanilla extract

Mix the condensed milk, butter and sugar together into a large microwave proof bowl and cook for 2 minutes.

Take the bowl out and stir. Put it back in for 10-15 minutes, stopping every minute or so to mix. When the mixture has turned darkish (golden caramel), thick and bubbly mix in the vanilla extract. Pour into a lightly greased container and leave to set. Voila![/quote]
That's caramel. Not fudge.

KintsugiCat · 27/08/2021 13:24

Boil off the alcohol I. The whisky before you add it, or add it to the mix whilst the mix is still really hot so it evaporates quickly.

Ozanj · 27/08/2021 13:26

@RVN123

Hi all. I'm a very experienced home baker. I'm not used to things not turning out as they should and so I'm very annoyed at myself.

Up until a few months ago though, I'd never made fudge because I personally just don't like it much. However, I've been asked by a good friend to make whisky fudge for wedding favours.
Over the last few months I've been making many batches with varying degrees of success. I've scoured every fudge website known to man for tips and tricks (though some are completely contradictory ie stir continuously vs not stirring at ALL while it cooks - I've tried both of these methods, neither worked).
I tried condensed milk fudge from an online recipe and it refused to set up, ended up with a sloppy pale sticky mess.
The recipe I've settled on is 'Old Fashioned Whisky Fudge'. Ingredients are double cream, butter, milk, golden caster sugar, muscovado sugar, and finally the whisky (see below).
My main problem is getting the fudge to be hard enough, as it needs to hold it's shape when cut into small squares at room temperature - its going into favour boxes that I've also made to hold it.
The recipe says it will keep for two weeks if covered, and that its not necessary to refrigerate it (though you can).

So, WHY is the fudge too soft?

  1. After a few failed attempts ending with a sloppy non setting blob, I reduced the liquid in the recipe, ie completely took out the milk, used extra thick double cream instead of regular double cream, reduced the butter, and reduced the already small amount of whisky.
  2. I used a candy thermometer (calibrated with boiling water so I know its showing the correct temperature) to get to 244 degrees F which the recipe states, slightly higher than normal to allow for the addition of alcohol. I make sure it's not touching the base of the pan and is in the fudge itself to not get a false reading.
  3. I beat it at the cooling stage until my arm is falling off, approx 15 minutes, until it thickens and looses its sheen. I also had one batch where I used an electric mixer, it turned into a seperated yet gritty oily mess. Now I am sticking to the wooden spoon method.
  4. I set at room temperature, not the fridge, as according to most websites you should not set fudge in the fridge. Something to do with sugar crystal formation. It's still far too soft even if left overnight.
  5. I let it cool to approx 230F before beginning the beating process, according to the recipe.
  6. I've made it only on dry days as I read that fudge making is affected by the weather! Humidity and rain can affect the fudge apparently. Although that is maybe only what bad fudge makers say!

The recipe I'm using is

400ml double cream
150g butter
100ml milk
300g golden caster sugar
300g light muscovado sugar
3 tablespoons whisky

I've eliminated the milk, reduced the butter and the whisky. It's still far too soft to cut into squares. Ideally I want a very firm fudge with a bit of bite.

WHAT am I doing wrong? Any fudge makers out there with any advice? I'm starting to get nervous as the favours are needed in 3 weeks and I need to make at least 8 batches. It's costing me a small fortune every time I screw it up. I'm honestly a good baker, I just cannot conquer fudge.
Thanks.

Use the Indian ‘fudge’ recipes (called barfi) and customise them.
CaveMum · 27/08/2021 13:29

I tried making “real” fudge a few times, it ne er set properly!

Now I use the cheat method and I never fail to get compliments on it - it makes excellent little Christmas presents for neighbours, teachers, etc.

The most popular I’ve made are both from Jane’s Patisserie:

Baileys Fudge - www.janespatisserie.com/2017/12/18/baileys-fudge/

Peppermint Fudge - www.janespatisserie.com/2015/12/07/peppermint-fudge/

DiplodocusRex · 27/08/2021 13:59

@hocusspocuss it’s fudge. Not caramel. See picture above.

DiplodocusRex · 27/08/2021 14:03

@hocusspocuss fudge vs caramel

To think its almost IMPOSSIBLE to make fudge? Any fudge makers -advice needed!
To think its almost IMPOSSIBLE to make fudge? Any fudge makers -advice needed!
hocusspocuss · 27/08/2021 14:13

[quote DiplodocusRex]@hocusspocuss fudge vs caramel[/quote]
Ok it's set caramel then. Fudge crystallises and goes dull and stiff. This can only be achieved by beating.

If you don't beat it, it ain't fudge.

www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-02-13-fo-2727-story.html

DiplodocusRex · 27/08/2021 15:03

@hocusspocuss do you not have eyes? 😂

DiplodocusRex · 27/08/2021 15:09

@hocusspocuss this is such a ridiculous argument! I have been making this recipe for years. It is fudge. It is not toffee and it is not ‘set caramel’ which is soft. This is crumbly, crystallised fudge. You mix (or beat) the vanilla in at the end? What is the issue?

SpindleWhorl · 27/08/2021 15:31

Fudge Wars.

MarshmallowsOnToast · 27/08/2021 15:37

@SpindleWhorl

Fudge Wars.
Grin
Ninkanink · 27/08/2021 15:41

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT Grin

I really want fudge now...