Where do these evil people come from? Throughout history

[TerraNovaTwo]

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I can also find only one serial killer there.

[quote LoveFall]DH and I watched a documentary series on The Dunedin Study from New Zealand. They have closely followed the study participants for years and learned a lot about nature/nurture.

If you haven't read about the study, here is a link:

dunedinstudy.otago.ac.nz/[/quote]
Seems a far bit of that is down to being born into poverty and inequality. Interesting to note that Dunedin itself is steeped in Scottish highlander (and Maori) heritage.

Nothing wrong with tribalism. Throughout the sands of time, animals 'staying in the pack' has ensured the survival of the species, especially in times of scarcity or threat. The Scots have been most successful with doing this exact thing. As others having pointed out, we are at the heart of it merely animals trying to survive.

Heres an article from before the village home birth theory. Rostov is a huge cossack area which is how the practice developed. www.themoscowtimes.com/archive/a-killers-confidante-in-a-murderous-town

Having a read.

The person they're talking about at the beginning - chikatilo. Was born and grew up in Ukraine. Moved to Rostov on Don in his 20s according to wiki.

'Rostov's dearly bought expertise in solving serial killings is now sought after by the rest of the country. The city's killer department is the only one of its kind in Russia. Rostov has twice hosted international conferences on serial murders and social aggression, both organized by Bukhanovsky. Police forces from other regions turn to Bukhanovsky and his colleagues for help in tracking down suspected maniacs.'

I couldn't see anything about the home birth connection?

Well I asked her and she doesn't remember it but is now suggesting radiation. Rostov had around 30 serial killers in 20 years.

The chessboard killer was inspired by chikatilo. Hes very intelligent but when a child had a head injury from a swing and turned violent. Its hard to find info about soviet serial killers as according to the state it was a 'bourgeois phenomenon' which supposedly didnt exist in the USSR.

"More close to the truth is the assumption that the reason for the supernatural cruelty of maniacs is a smaller volume of gray matter in the frontal lobes of the brain than in normal people. This part of the human brain is responsible for empathy, a person's ability to empathize. Almost all serial killers of Rostov have reduced it (on average by 17%).''

Our genes. First nature then it's nurtured out or entrenched in.

So it's not to to with local customs around childbirth leading children to get brain damage then?

Well that's something.

It could be to do with local childbirth procedures, yes. Cossacks and don russians were a persecuted minority and tried to have children without state intervention. Having previously relied on either drs or their own midwives they didnt have them anymore so lots of improvisation and damaged children..

Have you got a link? I couldn't find one.

So it could be damage due to giving birth the way that humans have done for the vast majority of time IE without docs. I mean unless they had some ideas about no one attending? Or something.

Or it could be radiation.

Could it not be the reason given in the article you linked that the police there are much better at catching them due to their experience with a certain case. And that the rest of Russia has nowhere near the same expertise or indeed interest?

Eh?

@Bambinee

Did Hitler have Jewish ancestory?

This is for coffee who mentioned Hitler was evil because he was uncertain about his Jewish roots so he had hatred.

Greed and power. Add in a touch of sociopathy and certain societal conditions and you have the perfect storm.

Fear is another one on a larger scale ,rather than individual. But then again, that fear is normally stoked by someone that is greedy and wants power.

@araiwa

Luton

I went there during the week..its lovely. Theyve tried to jazz it up the town centre with some elephants. Not sure why. Maybe they'll make people less evil..or just confused.

I think most people have the capacity to be evil. I would have no qualms killing another human if it meant my loved ones survived. Many would see that as evil. But in a situation where it was needed I could. Its just that that kind of situation is highly unlikely to ever arise, so im free to continue being a good person.

Hitler almost certainly had some jewish ancestry, original family name Hidler or similar which has ashkenazi roots. Then there was this- 'The duo collected saliva samples from 39 of the infamous dictator’s living relatives, including a great-nephew, Alexander Stuart-Houston, who lives in New York, and an Austrian cousin identified only as “Norbert H.” Tests were then conducted to reveal the samples’ principal haplogroups, which are sets of chromosomes that geneticists use to define specific populations.
Writing in the Flemish-language magazine Knack, Mulders reported that the relatives’ most dominant haplogroup, known as E1b1b, is rare in Western Europeans but common among North Africans, and particularly the Berber tribes of Morocco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia. It is also one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population, present in 18 to 20 percent of Ashkenazi Jews and 8.6 to 30 percent of Sephardic Jews.

Cossacks etc used to have their own skilled midwives whilst they were a favoured group under the tsars but then like most of the west moved onto relatively trained professionals. Suddenly after the don uprisings they became a persecuted group and attempted to avoid the states's midwives etc. and had lost their link to self taught locals they once had so it became a matter of improvisation, thus damaged children who wernt visible on records until the 90s. This is what my friend says she learnt as a possible theory on her university course in samara, with radiation another theory.

@Berkeys

Humans are toxic sociopathic selfish and violent naked monkeys. The surprise is that some of them are decent. Today I am genuinely questioning ttc because I think our species is fundamentally awful and I’m not sure I want to make another one.

Totally, humans are far from being humans now, more inhumane than every other specie.

@BrozTito

Hitler almost certainly had some jewish ancestry, original family name Hidler or similar which has ashkenazi roots. Then there was this- 'The duo collected saliva samples from 39 of the infamous dictator’s living relatives, including a great-nephew, Alexander Stuart-Houston, who lives in New York, and an Austrian cousin identified only as “Norbert H.” Tests were then conducted to reveal the samples’ principal haplogroups, which are sets of chromosomes that geneticists use to define specific populations. Writing in the Flemish-language magazine Knack, Mulders reported that the relatives’ most dominant haplogroup, known as E1b1b, is rare in Western Europeans but common among North Africans, and particularly the Berber tribes of Morocco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia. It is also one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population, present in 18 to 20 percent of Ashkenazi Jews and 8.6 to 30 percent of Sephardic Jews.

@BrozTito why did he hate them if he was Jewish too?

[quote Berkeys]@NiceGerbil yes, it’s funny because I know humans are animals too and I have a lot of time for animals. I prefer them probably. Maybe it doesn’t make sense that we have the option to be better but so many don’t take it or prefer to be selfish /ruthless instead. I was raised surrounded mainly by Buddhists so normal society seems hugely messed up and nasty.

I'm not sure art, technology etc makes up for all the suffering we inflict on other species and our own kind. The only times I feel ok about being human is when I see people doing compassionate things like rewilding, saving Afghan street dogs or floating stranded whales. Not enough.[/quote]
Totally, I prefer animals to people any day. Today's society is so messed up. Humans are supposed to help and care for animals, so it's nice to see some good people still out there nowdays.