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Is this controlling/gaslighting/emotional abuse?

64 replies

Flamglimglubberty · 23/08/2021 14:54

This will be a long one, just trying to establish if I'm being overly dramatic so I've posted here for traffic. I have name changed as this could be outing.

Married young when I was 23, we now have one DS aged 6. Been married almost 10 years. When we met DH was very kind, generous and charismatic. He has a very wide social circle, whereas I am much more introverted and have a few very close friends.

About 2 years ago DH became convinced I was conducting an emotional affair with a male work colleague, this was very much not the case and I tried to explain this to him. After much discussion it was clear that the friendship was upsetting DH, and I took him at his word that I had possibly been blind to this man trying it on with me, and me inadvertently leading him on. As it was upsetting DH I reigned in the friendship, and established boundaries to downgrade it to a purely professional relationship with my colleague. DH wanted me to find a new job so I didn't have any contact with the colleague but I put my foot down as I had just been promoted to a more senior role and didn't want to set my career back. DH ordered me not have any male friendships, and any text messages should be purely on a professional basis (no banter etc). I agreed to keep the peace as I didn't want to risk breaking up our family.

DH was very forceful about making me accept that it was an EA even though I disagreed. In the end after much protesting to avoid us divorcing I conceded on this point even though I didn't agree. DH actually threatened me with divorce and threatened to prevent me getting any custody of our child. He threatened to use my PND, and past depression as evidence I was an unfit mother. So I conceded on the emotional affair to avoid this.

Since then we've worked hard on our marriage, but every time we have any slight disagreement he brings it back round to the "emotional affair". Even trivial things like who's turn it is to take the bins out, he throws the EA back in my face and it escalates into a massive argument.

He's constantly berating me for being on my phone. He can spend hours watching sports and that's his hobby, but of I spend more than 5 mins on social media, reading news or MN he starts grilling me about how much time I spend on the phone and that I'm neglecting the family. Apparently when he and DS are watching hours of cricket or football I should be gleefully joining in even though I have zero interest in sport. On top of this is always commenting on what I eat, I can't even sniff a cookie without him passing comment. He is always reminding me I can stand to lose some weight. As an aside I'm very happy with my weight, I have a slight tummy pouch but I'm a size 12/14 and healthy BMI.

Whenever we go out he has to pass some comment on what I'm wearing, as if I'm not dressed up enough or haven't put any effort in.

It's all low level stuff, but slowly eats away at my confidence.

I always give him the option of not going round my family's at the weekend, especially if he has a football match on. But whenever there's something with his family I absolutely have to go and it escalates into a big argument that I "hate his family" if I say I don't want to go.

He's lovely to DS and is a great dad, the comments are only ever directed at me. I secretly suspect that he's just putting up with me to avoid the shame of a divorce.

Whenever we argue he makes a point to put me down Infront of DS and points out to him that I'm a bad mum.

I don't really know what I want from this thread tbh, I just feel like I'm slowly losing the plot.

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BlackIsQueen · 23/08/2021 21:35

Have a look at this, you need a lawyer who knows how to handle abusive spouses - I think that is critical. rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-advice/family-law/

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 23/08/2021 21:35

Great post @Flamglimglubberty you've seen the light and you're doing something about it. In the meantime remind your DS how much you love him , you don't want that shitbag putting things in his head. I'd also have everything lined up before you tell your husband you're leaving as he has shown he's more than capable of twisting things. Good luck for tomorrow Flowers

JimandPam · 23/08/2021 22:23

OP it sounds like you realise you need to leave. You've mentioned a few times that he's a good dad to your son.

I want to share my friends experience of this to perhaps give you a glimpses into the future. Other posters have mentioned this but your situation is so similar I thought it was worth sharing

My friend got married reasonably young to her (D)H. All seemed well at first but little by little he started to take control of things and questioning her when she went out to such a degree that she slowly stopped bothering. They had a son.

Over the years this controlling behaviour moved towards her DS. She saw it at the time as good parenting on his part. He did the majority of nursery runs, made dinner, cleaned the house etc.

But each time he took control of something he would use it to put her down. He did the nursery run as 'she'd take too long doing her make up in the morning and never get there in time'. He cooked as 'someone has to make sure our DS gets a balanced diet'. He cleaned as 'mummy never does things properly'.

He would comment on her appearance, blow up at small things and over time generally spoke to her like garbage.

Then her DS started having behavioural problems. He would physically hurt my friend, call her names, spit at her, and generally have no respect. This continued at school.

She was going to leave but found out she was pregnant and stayed. Then had a daughter.

The sons behaviour also started to target his little sister. Her DH was dismissive, wouldn't agree to therapy or assessment and saw it as 'boys being boys'. He didn't have so much trouble with the DS so didn't see the problem.

It came to a head when the son deliberately (she witnessed it) pushed his sister off a reasonably high wall and broke her leg.

Only when this happened did she realise how much of an influence her DH had on her son. He was mirroring his dads behaviour and relationships. He was emotionally immature just like his dad. His dad has no respect for her so why should he? His dad treated her like garbage so the son did as well.

Four years later (she left her DH) and she is still working with therapists and behaviourists to unpick it all and work with him to build healthy relationships

I know this is long but please please don't underestimate the damage this can do to your boy. I would leave as soon as you can.

BecauseMyRingBurnsSheila · 23/08/2021 22:33

If you want to split up from him and these are your reasons why they aren't 'frivolous' no matter if he or anyone else thinks so. My friend's DH divorced her because he just didn't want to be married to her anymore. He never really had a reason he just didn't want to. And he got a divorce for what amounted to very little reason to us externally but to him it was everything.

From an outsider's perspective actually I think you have lots of very real reasons to divorce him, most of which you have already detailed and posters have called out as abuse.

Italiangreyhound · 23/08/2021 22:52

He is abusive and controlling.

Speak to a solicitor and get free.

"Because of this apparently I spend too much time on the internet being brainwashed by feminist shit. He kept saying in front of DS I was not a good mum." I think he will try and turn your child against you if he can.

Italiangreyhound · 23/08/2021 23:32

"What steps do you take at this point. I don't want to go to court, and especially have to go through this in front of a judge... I'm genuinely worried it would be deemed silly and then used against me that I'd brought frivolous reasons or tried to paint him as abusive to get more custody. I don't want to do anything to sabotage myself."

I think it is helpful to begin to believe that your dh has been contributing and that is certainly enough reason to end the marriage.

Your husband's behaviour is harmful to you will be to your son too, effectively trying to drive a wedge between you please do not allow yourself to believe a judge would find your experiences silly.

They are not.

Get your ducks in a row and get your.

Italiangreyhound · 23/08/2021 23:33

Confidence on! Feel more confident to tell your story of how things have been. Xxxxx

Italiangreyhound · 23/08/2021 23:43

contributing controlling

PickAChew · 23/08/2021 23:44

Most divorces don't require you to go to court. I'd bet my boots he wouldn't want to go that far, either. No way would he put himself in a position where someone is likely to turn around and say "oi! You're being a bastard!"

Italiangreyhound · 23/08/2021 23:46

Very good point PickAChew.

This has all been hidden from view, when it comes out you will not look silly and he will not look good.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 23/08/2021 23:48

Whenever we argue he makes a point to put me down Infront of DS and points out to him that I'm a bad mum.

OP can you now see that he is NOT a 'great dad' or 'lovely to your son' if he does this?! It's really important you can recognise that.

UpstreamSwimmer · 24/08/2021 00:36

I don't know if he's inherently abusive or simply extremely insecure, but either way his behaviour is not on.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 24/08/2021 00:41

@UpstreamSwimmer

I don't know if he's inherently abusive or simply extremely insecure, but either way his behaviour is not on.
How is this not inherently abusive?

Whether abusive behaviour is fuelled by insecurity or anything else it's still abuse.

phishy · 24/08/2021 01:18

Oh please do leave him. He doesn’t deserve you.

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