To think that this whole chaos in Afghanistan has happened because Biden wanted to be out by 9/11

[ThisBeTheName]

11th September this year is the twenty year anniversary of 9/11. It is now obvious that Biden decided he wanted some nice headlines where he could boast, on the big day, that the US was out of Afghanistan.

He could have chosen to withdraw his troops this winter, after "fighting season" was over, when all the Taliban men would be back in their villages and so wouldn't be available overrun the cities, and Kabul in particular. Biden was advised to do that, in fact. But that would have meant that the US wasn't out by September 11...

Why choose August 31t as his deadline to be out? Because of 9/11! Otherwise the end of August is a totally spurious timeline.

It's a shameful mess, all because Biden wanted some headlines and a legacy. Well he got that...

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

The body language coming out... Of the top brass in America!! Oh dear.

From when Biden announced that the people of Afghanistan can take up the fight he showed such a lack of awareness of the hold from fear the Taliban has on the people

We can’t let people suffer this way we have people some protection

Rumour has it that Obama said of Biden ‘never underestimate joe’s ability to mess things up’ Obama’s doctor when he was president has apparently been calling for him to submit for proper cognitive testing for dementia as he seems rambling and incoherent and can’t speak without the prompter.

We can’t let people suffer this way we have people some protection

So we should impose western values and mostly young male lives on a country that doesn't want western values?

The flip of being pro imperialism because it suits the agenda whilst being told over the past 20 years that any terrorist attack is because the west have meddled in Afghanistan is some double think that is scarier than anything 1984 could imagine.

Hasn't there been a suggestion that there's some intelligence indicating that something is planned for 9/11 that makes it really important to have them out before then?

When did I say anything about imposing western values

Thousands of people are desperate to flee they are risking their lives to try and leave how can we leave behind such chaos

Was that really americas choice?? Trump or Biden???

Yes it was, Imagine if Trump came out with a comment like this...

twitter.com/claudiatenney/status/1431008116691275776

Was that really americas choice?? Trump or Biden???

Out of a population of 300 million people, yes. It really does make a total mockery of the US (and that of its pupil the U.K.) version of “democracy” doesn’t it. The question of women’s rights is real though, and it’s the same fight we always have with men.

Biden has long (before & throughout his VP period) advocated leaving Afghanistan ASAP, he was severely against mission creep. It's a key personal and important objective for him, and he meant it when he said Presidents should stop passing this problem to each other. it's a matter of strategic principles for him and pragmatic realism about the nature of politics in Afghanistan. Sept. 11th was somebody else's timetable, Biden wanted out > 10 yrs earlier.

A firm majority of Americans support departure, although dismayed by the fate of Afghanis, Americans don't want to be World's Perennial Peacekeepers.

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Biden has long (before & throughout his VP period) advocated leaving Afghanistan ASAP, he was severely against mission creep. It's a key personal and important objective for him, and he meant it when he said Presidents should stop passing this problem to each other. it's a matter of strategic principles for him and pragmatic realism about the nature of politics in Afghanistan. Sept. 11th was somebody else's timetable, Biden wanted out > 10 yrs earlier.

A firm majority of Americans support departure, although dismayed by the fate of Afghanis, Americans don't want to be World's Perennial Peacekeepers.

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Afghans. Afghani is a unit of currency

I do not really see why people are surprised with Biden. People were bullied and called Trumpist when questioning his abilities and political record. Well here you go really awful consequences.

People aren't against the US leaving Afghanistan. People are horrified and astonished at the utterly inept way that Biden has handled it.

The Democrat member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee who was interviewed on Channel 4 news yesterday was clearly upset and angry by what had happened, and said that Biden would face multiple investigations.

@ThisBeTheName - I really can't understand why you are politicising this SO much.

Surely blame leads to many doors - Cater, Reagan, Bush (x2), Clinton, Obama, Trump and also Biden

Can't we have a wider view about how US and the World has fucked over Afghanistan in last 40 years (never mind 100 years before that)?

Apologies *Carter - not Cater

@Brighterblighter

Yes I'm watching its unbelievable. Was that really americas choice?? Trump or Biden???

To be fair, we got a choice between Boris and Jeremy Corbyn...

[quote stringlightcentral]@ThisBeTheName - I really can't understand why you are politicising this SO much.

Surely blame leads to many doors - Cater, Reagan, Bush (x2), Clinton, Obama, Trump and also Biden

Can't we have a wider view about how US and the World has fucked over Afghanistan in last 40 years (never mind 100 years before that)?[/quote]
I'm not politicising it. I am not, as I have said many times, talking about countries (including Russia, by the way) who have gone in to Afghanistan. Or the US's decision to leave Afghanistan.

I am specifically blaming Joe Biden for the utterly inept and dangerous way that he has handled the exit. He can't blame anyone else for that, although he's trying.

Although you seem to be doing exactly what Biden is trying to do - distracting attention and trying to deflect to the whole issue of being in, or leaving Afghanistan - and not what most of us are up in arms about, which is his handling of it.

His handling of leaving it.

Absolute bollocks @ThisBeTheName - you are totally making this political.

Biden is an inept fool but he is not where the buck stops with this. For all his faults he has not overseen this plan or signed it off - it is the inept military commanders (not foot soldiers) who have done this and provided the (defunct) intelligence that made this happen. Biden is an atrocity as is Trump and as were Obama, Bush and others - this is an American failing across the board and someone has to own it.

Tell me where I am detracting attention? From the absolute shitshow that is US Foreign Policy since 1945?

Every frigging post you have made @ThisBeTheName has been "Biden this and Biden that" - no one is disputing that this is an absolute failure of foreign policy, but please stop throwing shite out here when people are genuinely suffering and worried about their families.

(Afghan/"Allies"/Forces or otherwise) - you are the worst kind of illiterate pollical armchair theorist/commentator and are an embarrassment

What I would like to know is who decided to change the departure date from one at the start of the fighting season to one at the end.

Because the Taliban would not have made the rapid gains they did after only a month or so. So perhaps the thinking was that they could not take ground whilst US still present, and then winter would intervene and any collapse would be at some distance after departure.

But not enough weight given to the possibility that the Taliban would make excellent progress, and none at all to the prospect of their victory before US left.

@stringlightcentral

Every frigging post you have made *@ThisBeTheName* has been "Biden this and Biden that" - no one is disputing that this is an absolute failure of foreign policy, but please stop throwing shite out here when people are genuinely suffering and worried about their families.

(Afghan/"Allies"/Forces or otherwise) - you are the worst kind of illiterate pollical armchair theorist/commentator and are an embarrassment

I started a thread about Biden. So yes, I'm going to mention him in it?!

And if you think that I am an embarrassment, you'd best not look at any newspapers or listen to any news about the enquiries that are heading Biden's way.

@RoseAndRose

What I would like to know is who decided to change the departure date from one at the start of the fighting season to one at the end.

Because the Taliban would not have made the rapid gains they did after only a month or so. So perhaps the thinking was that they could not take ground whilst US still present, and then winter would intervene and any collapse would be at some distance after departure.

But not enough weight given to the possibility that the Taliban would make excellent progress, and none at all to the prospect of their victory before US left.

Biden changed the departure date. He announced it on April 14 2021.

Here's the timeline: www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

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Yes, I know he announced the change. I should have been clearer. I meant who was advocating it and how was the day carried for it to become the policy that was idc announced by the President.