to support extinction rebellion - more London action tomorrow

[54321nought]

I am not sure what, but I have seen their previous demonstrations, and support their cause.

We were given badges at one event, and travelled home on public transport wearing them, and received absolutely nothing but 100% support from other travellers, which was nice, as I expected some hostility, publicly wearing their badges while roads in London were closed by them

I’d rather see awareness raised (not by protests which damage the environment) and thanks given to the scientists and workers who have dedicated their lives to green technology. We will survive because of their work. And they were not inspired by XR at all. Most of them hate XR because XR constantly also acts like noting has ever been done to support the environment and that too little is being done now. It’s all lies to fit their agenda. Create story of imminent doom, waste resources having fun protests and days out, then when doom doesn’t materialise, claim credit for averting said doom. Meanwhile the thousands who ARE doing all the work go unreported on, unnoticed, and derided by XR as “doing too little”.

@PlanDeRaccordement species loss, habitat loss, biodiversity loss is at an all time high. Speak to a zooarchologist, they will tell you. The difference between the last 250 years and the rest of time is massive - things are very fucking bad. The rate of loss is not ‘normal’. Soil degradation is so bad that we may not be able to grow crops in 50 years. It is time to panic.

@FOJN

Darker

I agree with everything you've written but ER look like massively privileged twats when they protest at Canning Town rather than Aldegate or Mansion House for example.

The canning town protest was condemned by XR.

My understanding is that XR isn't a highly organised group that vets participants and authorises every action. It attracts all sorts of people including a few idiots.

@Terhou

About time they got a bloody job.

It's a Saturday demonstration, @AngryWhompingWillow. What makes you think they haven't got jobs?

And there's this thing called annual leave, that allows you take at least 28 days off a year, even if you work in a 24/7 service.

[quote ChipButties]@PlanDeRaccordement species loss, habitat loss, biodiversity loss is at an all time high. Speak to a zooarchologist, they will tell you. The difference between the last 250 years and the rest of time is massive - things are very fucking bad. The rate of loss is not ‘normal’. Soil degradation is so bad that we may not be able to grow crops in 50 years. It is time to panic.[/quote]
But most of that is due to human overpopulation. Not climate change.

@Shade17

They’re scum. Nothing better than seeing these twats getting the shit kicked out of them.

another poster seemingly prepared to state, in public, that they enjoy seeing non violent protesters being hurt.

I do find this very strange

I know you are anonymous, and probably wouldn't say this face to face

but you know who you are! How do you feel about yourself, when you see what you have written?

Are you genuinely someone who can reread what you have written, and not think, o no!, - I seem to be someone who likes to see non-violent protesters being hurt - maybe I need to make some changes in myself

@PlanDeRaccordement oh I see what you mean, yes I agree that climate change is not my biggest concern at all, it’s all the rest of it that terrifies me more.

I supported them in the beginning, my DS got involved. Not anymore. They're dicks.

Darker
The canning town protest was condemned by XR.

My understanding is that XR isn't a highly organised group that vets participants and authorises every action. It attracts all sorts of people including a few idiots.

Its either an organised group or not.
Its takes full responsibility for what is done in its name
or it stops putting out media that claims to be from and for all members of the group.

@OhGiveUp

The ' many retired ' enjoyed flying off on their holidays while motoring around in their cars and banging their central heating on in the winter. The rest of them need to get a wash and a job.

lots of retired people dont have foreign holidays and cars, especially if they are environmentally aware

Most ER activists are employed or retired, so "get a job" is a silly thing to say

ER activists wash the same amount as everyone else, as in normally twice daily, unless you are staying somewhere with no washing facilities, so this is again a silly thing to say

There are a lot of poster on here who seem to think throwing around these stereotypes and clichés are some sort of structured argument, rather than just a display of silly ignorance.

If you have something constructive to say, please do say it.

I am not going to bother to respond to anyone else saying activists need to have a wash, or get a job. Its just empty pointless word - they are as washed and employed as MN posters are

There protests a few years back stopped me getting to work

That meant colleagues that had been on shift for 12 hours had to stay longer

And that is just my experience why not hold up MP’s if you really want to make a statement and disrupt their lives I doubt that creates as much excitement

@54321nought I agree with Shade17
I'm very happy actually, not feeling the need to change and not needing your trickology shite. Cheers 👍

[quote ChipButties]@PlanDeRaccordement oh I see what you mean, yes I agree that climate change is not my biggest concern at all, it’s all the rest of it that terrifies me more.[/quote]
Exactly. Pollution and overpopulation is killing species that otherwise would survive. But climate change isn’t yet because much of it is within boundaries that have happened before. The CO2 is a concern and a problem, but imho not our biggest problem and I’m tired of every bit of weather or environmental issue being blamed on big bad climate change. We absolutely have to tackle the state of planet Earth understanding there are multiple causes for the environmental degradation and correct what we can.

@FrippEnos

Darker The canning town protest was condemned by XR.

My understanding is that XR isn't a highly organised group that vets participants and authorises every action. It attracts all sorts of people including a few idiots.

Its either an organised group or not.
Its takes full responsibility for what is done in its name
or it stops putting out media that claims to be from and for all members of the group.

no it isn't "either an organised group or its not"

That is simply not how it works.

That's like saying all all Man United supporters are an organised group or they're not.

There is an organisation, called Man United, and they do organise events and supporter participation, but they are open to all, and lots of things are done in their name

I see @54321nought You're one of those. That's fine. Carry on sweetie 👍

Do you have children @54321nought

Single best thing you can do for the environment is not breed. I know people don't want to hear this though.

If I had a choice between er and Manchester United fans being let lose on my city I'd choose Manchester United everytime.
It's a beggars choice but at least football fans don't act superior whilst trashing your city.

i really don't care if these "protesters" are not treated nicely.
they don't give a fuck about how their "look at me" antics affect others.

@burritofan

I suggest that everyone who supports extinction rebellion goes back to a 1950s lifestyle. No central heating, no technology, no replacing clothes until they are really worn out, in fact buy nothing until the item is kaput, walk or use a bike to get around, no car, no foreign holidays, no 'gap years' travelling to exotic places, don't buy a coffee on your way to work (because of the rubbish created), no food that isn't produced locally, (so bang goes the quinoa then). Have I made my point ! This isn’t quite the gotcha you think it is; lots of us are doing most of this, and it is exactly the way forward. (Except for the no tech right this minute, as I’m arguing with you on MN – you’re right that this is a waste of energy in all senses.) As for central heating, why go backwards to none when the government could subsidise heat pump technology and other net zero solutions?

I live in a Victorian house, I couldn't have a heat pump. So what do I do? My comments were aimed at those who lecture us all and then do the opposite.

It might not be extinction but societal breakdown is a realistic possibility and within my children's working lives. The science is saying we have a fighting chance but we're not fighting. Quietly living an eco conscious life is not enough when the biggest problems are at government/corporation level. One of the most important things we can do is talk about it.

So if disruption isn't the answer, what is?

@FrippEnos

Darker The canning town protest was condemned by XR.

My understanding is that XR isn't a highly organised group that vets participants and authorises every action. It attracts all sorts of people including a few idiots.

Its either an organised group or not.
Its takes full responsibility for what is done in its name
or it stops putting out media that claims to be from and for all members of the group.

Look at their website, like I did, and see what you think.

There are different ways to structure a movement.

Oh and xr didn't come up with the idea that human overpopulation is a problem for the planet.
Homer was writing such things about the catalyst that started the Trogan war thousands of years ago.

54321nought

That is a very poor comparison.

Man United does not claim to be speaking as one voice XR does.

Man United also pays for extra policing and has a fund/insurance for damages caused by the fans, XR does not.

Disrupt the people lives who have more influence ??

But this isn’t so fun no Emma Thompson flying in no carnival atmosphere with just a few outside the local MP’s door

I think some people on this thread could look at why XR is so triggering for them.