to support extinction rebellion - more London action tomorrow

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I am not sure what, but I have seen their previous demonstrations, and support their cause.

We were given badges at one event, and travelled home on public transport wearing them, and received absolutely nothing but 100% support from other travellers, which was nice, as I expected some hostility, publicly wearing their badges while roads in London were closed by them

This thread is so far from reasoned debate that it feels like a Monty Python skit.

I'm planning to look in on XR this week while I'm in London for work and will take care to look out for spreadeagled pensioners, litterbugs and KFC-munchers.

And I'll be sure to post the inevitable article about the rubbish they drop or the emergency services they stop.

@Darker

This thread is so far from reasoned debate that it feels like a Monty Python skit.

I'm planning to look in on XR this week while I'm in London for work and will take care to look out for spreadeagled pensioners, litterbugs and KFC-munchers.

Hang on. Its op that claims XR is made up of most retired professionals, no one else. So it's got to be mainly retired people causing the disruption.

Are you disputing they leave a shit ton of litter behind?

I have no idea bout the KFC or what that's about.

It can't be a reasoned debate, because the OP is just making stuff up. People are disputing it. The entire basis of it, is completely ridiculous facts and figures.

Or shall we just ignore ops incorrect factual claims? Would that make it a more reasoned discussion?

Thing is, Hypnoshiding, that I can tell you that I’ve seen XR being very responsible about litter, that most of the food I’ve seen consumed is the veggie/vegan food which is provided, and that people of all ages were there, but I’ll be told it’s bollocks by people who are on this thread and know far more about it than I do and have their ‘facts’ lined up to prove their point.

I'd respect them if they flew to China and did it there.

Any steps we take are useless unless nations like that start reducing their carbon footprint.

They wouldn't dare. I wish they'd just fuck off. Looking at most of them their carbon footprint is awful.

In 2019 they were handing out leaflets. I said surely that isn't good for the environment. I got a mouthful of abuse. They can dish it out but can't take it.

Have they achieved anything of note since starting? I agree with the sentiment but annoying people going about their daily lives isn't going to cause the government to change policies.

Or the XR grandparents protesting for the planet to be able to support their grandchildren.

They had several DC each and their children did the same. Now the planet can't support the children and grandchildren they chose to have and caused the problem.

I'm personally not bothered about the earth not being able to support human life. If humans are doomed so be it.

The KFC came into it because I linked a video that showcases the xr protesters as less than ideal or commited advocates of the environment.

A well known environmentalist and vegan, Earthling Ed, interviewed some teens at a protest. Earthling Ed is very non aggressive in his approach and uses the socratic method. The teens firstly struggle to come up with concrete ways they can be more environmental. They then say they are motivated by bunking off college. Earthling Ed tries to engage them in the idea of not supporting fast food chains because of excess plastic etc used and that eating meat at the rate we do is unsustainable for the environment and the biggest individual action you can do to slow climate change. The teens are dismissive and basically say they love meat more than the planet.

I posted that because in my experience the people at these rallies make very little personal sacrifices for the environment. They also have no idea of achievable goals or even what they are actually protesting about.

And because I disagree with xr tactics I have been accused of being an oil baron etc. I am very interested in stopping growth for the sake of growth and environmental issues, but I think xr do more harm than good.

On a personal note, I was asked why I am angry.
I suppose one reason is now when people hear the word vegan, they think of these selfish arseholes and I don't want to be lumped in with them.
But a bigger reason is they're actively turning the public away from environmental issues, for no good reason. They fail to consider the impact of their actions and even after this is raised, as it has on these threads, they just respond with it's justifiable fucking people over because we're fucked.

I think personal responsibility is important if you are going to be an ambassador and I can't think of a bigger bunch of hypocrites.

www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/02/05/extinction-rebellion-left-20-tonnes-rubbish-protests-mp-claims-12185637/amp/

@Darker

Thing is, Hypnoshiding, that I can tell you that I’ve seen XR being very responsible about litter, that most of the food I’ve seen consumed is the veggie/vegan food which is provided, and that people of all ages were there, but I’ll be told it’s bollocks by people who are on this thread and know far more about it than I do and have their ‘facts’ lined up to prove their point.

But even XR supporters on here have conceeded about litter but claimed its because there isn't enough facilities for them to dispose of their rubbish. It's not their fault apparently.

The litter is well documented.

I have no idea whether they eat meat or not.

The only person who insisted XR were mainly retired professionals was the op. The rest of us have been challenging it.

Ops assertion they are mainly retired professionals, was her attempt at proving most xr protestors of worked more than the average MNer. That's how far they thought about it.

If you have issue with that, that's on the OP. No one else.

You use 'facts' most people are backing up what they are saying. Apart from the person claiming most XR protestors are retired professionals. Along with other ridiculous claims. Like the fact that retired people have as much to lose, career wise as younger people, if they are arrested.

Funny how you are managing to make out that people are making things up. But the only person making stuff (and also making stuff you object to) is the op.

I know a couple of people involved in this, it's all very well but they have dh in well paid jobs so don't have to work and have plenty of money so have time on their hands to be there

If , as the article says, personal belongings were left behind, o would expect the group to rethink how things are done and implement something to combat that like a buddy system or something.
The fact they don't try to control their protesters or the impact they have is the main concern.

The fact that xr has been used by hypocritical troublemakers is a second, less pressing issue.

It's the fact that they don't seem to ever, ever consider the impact their protests have or try to change has led me to deduce they don't care.

I'd love for them to actually change and have some well coordinated, meaningful protests, but their supporters seem too busy making excuses to change.

@woodhill

I know a couple of people involved in this, it's all very well but they have dh in well paid jobs so don't have to work and have plenty of money so have time on their hands to be there

And of course they'll have cars, tvs in every room, tablets and laptops for all the kids, they won't live a frugal simple life.

their own carbon footprint will be absolutely awful and they bring the City to standstill to tell the rest of us how to live.

To be fair one of them isn't particularly materialistic and they really care about the planet but it is the privilege of having time to attend

@woodhill

I know a couple of people involved in this, it's all very well but they have dh in well paid jobs so don't have to work and have plenty of money so have time on their hands to be there

I'd actually have no problem with that if their protesting and actions were effective.

It's that their actions effect other people negatively I have a problem with it.

Yes, there is a climate emergency, but xr need to be aware what they are doing is generally not working. If they genuinely cares then surely they'd change tactics?

And the playing down of what other organisations like Greenpeace have achieved is unfair. Xr are not the first environmental campaigners and don't seem to have any achievements to their name of note. Concrete achievements, I mean, not just raising awareness.
The 90s saw the bulk of that work being done. Xr are standing on the shouldera of giants and crapping all over them.

Xr are standing on the shouldera of giants and crapping all over them.

Exactly. They are just woke babies. They've achieved nothing

The history books will judge them as similar to the suffragettes etc. We are heading for extinction and doing next to nothing about it. The younger generation have been well and truly f’d over by the generations above. We’ve known what’s coming since the 1980’s yet done very little to change our greedy, overindulged lifestyles. I’m embarrassed to be part of that generation as I know we will be judged harshly in the future (think about the women that campaigned against the suffragettes, or those that campaigned to keep the slave trade).

FOE and Greenpeace have tried the non direct (and direct at times) approach for years but ER are getting the point across.

I’d be there to support them if I could but donate to them regularly instead. Greta and ER are the heroes of our time.

I agree that FOE and Greenpeace have laid the foundations by the way. Not minimising what they do. I donate to them too. We need both. Direct action and the campaigning and research.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/25/extinction-rebellion-assessing-the-impact

What stands out to me is this:

It would require a complete overhaul of the way we are organised as a society in just six years – fundamentally changing everything from transport to domestic and industrial energy systems, food production to overall levels of consumption.

Which is why I think they should demonstrate a personal level of responsibility. What they are asking for is a massive overhaul. It would mean everyone's lifestyle being impacted in huge ways, some imaginable, some unforeseen.

So yes, I do think you should walk the walk if you are going to talk the talk. Being a role model within reason. But the reluctance to actually make any changes themselves says more than their shouty demands to me.

When challenged, they make excuses. So why do they expect any better from the government and the general public?

And Greenpeace do give out the inconvenient facts as well as the shocking big numbers that xr rely on.

Here's a link why op shouldn't consider eating chicken 'enviromental'.

www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/is-eating-chicken-better-for-the-environment-than-beef/

We had an anti vaxxer camp nearby recently who also had lots of XR material on display. Selfish twats who occupied a lovely corner of a local park so no one else could use it, lit fires which damaged the grass, were seen pissing and shutting in the park so endangering public health and generally made a filthy nuisance of themselves. Afraid that's what I think of the lot of them. And there was that report this week that policing their protests has cost £50m.

@Lostmarbles2021

The history books will judge them as similar to the suffragettes etc. We are heading for extinction and doing next to nothing about it. The younger generation have been well and truly f’d over by the generations above. We’ve known what’s coming since the 1980’s yet done very little to change our greedy, overindulged lifestyles. I’m embarrassed to be part of that generation as I know we will be judged harshly in the future (think about the women that campaigned against the suffragettes, or those that campaigned to keep the slave trade).

FOE and Greenpeace have tried the non direct (and direct at times) approach for years but ER are getting the point across.

I’d be there to support them if I could but donate to them regularly instead. Greta and ER are the heroes of our time.

Judge them as similar to the Suffragettes?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Putting non XR fans on a par with supporters of slavery?

You've definitely jumped the shark now.

Greta and ER are the heroes of our time.

A teenager with no qualifications and a load of thugs. How the tides have changed for them to be heroes of our time.

think about the women that campaigned against the suffragettes, or those that campaigned to keep the slave trade)

Are you serious? Or just indulging in tatty behaviour?

You are equating XR to people who campaigned to abolishing the slave trade?

Absolutely disgusting.