to support extinction rebellion - more London action tomorrow

[54321nought]

I am not sure what, but I have seen their previous demonstrations, and support their cause.

We were given badges at one event, and travelled home on public transport wearing them, and received absolutely nothing but 100% support from other travellers, which was nice, as I expected some hostility, publicly wearing their badges while roads in London were closed by them

Many from the lowest income brackets, council tenants, soldiers sons and daughters - ( soldiers orphans often enough)

Could we have a look at the statistics please?

@bagelsandoranges

So many people live life selfishly... Oh that person did a good deed and is trying to support a worthwhile cause? Im going to project my own issues onto them. Really typical that they all flock to this thread as if they'll somehow convince those with clarity (backed up by facts) what's what

This.

a) because people cannot actually answer their point, so prefer just to shout insults, and chose these one in the hope that it might make people turn against them, if they don't know any better

A) It's because we can see the evidence of that care with our eyes. Rubbish left, people blocked from getting to work, videos such as the one I linked where selfishness is willingly displayed. People have already turned against them, surely the poll had shown you that. Fyi when I first heard of xr I thought it was a great cause. It's the actions of protesters that have turned people against them.

b) because people are trying to justify their own personal damage to the planet by implying that they can't help protect the environment because they are very busy and poor, when they are most likely to be exactly as busy and poor as the people they are saying this about?

I see more justifying of the damage individuals do to the environment by xr defenders. Have you watched that video I linked? The protesters justify eating meat regularly because they love meat more than the environment.
Sorry, I'm not going to be impressed by protesters who do less than the bare minimum for their carbon footprint. I'd be happy with individuals saying that they significantly reduced their meat, but that's not the case.
Please do look into chicken by the way op. You're misinformed. I'm sure someone in your organisation can tell you why if you can't be bothered to read the article I linked. Or even Google it yourself.

c) because they just can't be bothered to think through what is happening to the environment, and the implications

The poll I linked show the majority of people care deeply about the environment. It's xr methods they have a problem with.

Stop blaming others for your bad image. If you want support, implement changes that address the concerns raised.

I guess there is some privilege in going to uni even when it was free. My dad was from a working class family and his parents didnt even want him to go to grammar school because they wanted/needed him to leave at 15 to start work and contribute to the household.

@SimonJT

As for being privileged, many make HUGE sacrifices to take part, and do so because it is more important than personal comfort, freedom or wealth, and do so for their children and grandchildren

What are these HUGE sacrifices?

personal comfort, freedom and wealth, as I have said

hours and hours , or days protesting, costs, massive losses in income, arrest, hours in cells, criminal records, risk of injury, hours or days of discomfort /hunger/rare toilet breaks,

are you prepared to make any of these sacrifices to fight for the environment?

*personal comfort, freedom and wealth, as I have said

hours and hours , or days protesting, costs, massive losses in income, arrest, hours in cells, criminal records, risk of injury, hours or days of discomfort /hunger/rare toilet breaks,*

Do you have any stats or peer reviewed evidence of this?

54321nought. I think you will find that it is just plain wrong to say that more lower class people went to university 40 years ago. It was less common for females to attend university, there are stats to back this up and there are also stats to back up that generally speaking working class people did not attend. It has nothing, but nothing to do with whether students had to pay or not but more to do with social expectations of the student, of the family but also those who taught those students. FWIW, I was told not to bother doing A-levels. I was one of the poorest kids in my class. I ignored the advice, got 3 good A-levels and went off to university. Furthermore, I know many contemporaries whose parents just needed them to go to work as soon as possible and be independent. And many were encouraged to start an apprenticeship because having a 'trade' was felt to be the best way to always be in work.
Again I think you occupy a parallel universe.

My husband went to university when it was free.
By his own admission he wasn't hardworking or diligent. He went out partying a lot. He didn't do as well as he could. He's naturally clever so scraped a degree.

He's responsible and kind and clever. But that's now. At university he used it as a big piss up. So did all his mates.

They were all upper middle class (apart from the one working class guy that got a 1st)

A degree just shows aptitude for learning and ability to pay for it.

I am behind them taking direct action, but feel they are not doing the cause any favours by disrupting public transport.

Why can't they disrupt parliament, or some of the industries that pollute or even target private car use, I don't get the targeting of public transport.

It’s news to absolutely nobody that human-influenced climate change is one of our most pressing problems.

And XR are one of the worst possible ‘advocates’ - they not only actively turn otherwise receptive people away from the cause, but has been pointed out already, they catastrophically undermine it by being absolute hypocrites.

All this bollocks about them actually being retired lawyers, doctors and teachers; honestly, do you think we came down in the last fucking shower? People have got eyes and ears and can see they are largely young people who use it as a convenient excuse to engage in public disorder and disruption. There might be one or two with noble motives but they are so few that they are wholly eclipsed by the army twats.

Most people hate XR, as evidenced by this thread. The best thing they could do for climate change is to fuck off and disappear.

P.S my best friend was a 'soldier's daughter', only he was a colonel. She went to private school, I hardly think she was underprivileged!

@LoislovesStewie

54321nought. I think you will find that it is just plain wrong to say that more lower class people went to university 40 years ago. It was less common for females to attend university, there are stats to back this up and there are also stats to back up that generally speaking working class people did not attend. It has nothing, but nothing to do with whether students had to pay or not but more to do with social expectations of the student, of the family but also those who taught those students. FWIW, I was told not to bother doing A-levels. I was one of the poorest kids in my class. I ignored the advice, got 3 good A-levels and went off to university. Furthermore, I know many contemporaries whose parents just needed them to go to work as soon as possible and be independent. And many were encouraged to start an apprenticeship because having a 'trade' was felt to be the best way to always be in work. Again I think you occupy a parallel universe.

well, I work in education, and I know what I am talking about. A higher proportion of students from lower income families went to university in the 50s and 60s than do now, its an established fact, one which huge numbers of people hours and huge amounts of money are being invested in to turn around

It isn't deniable

@LoislovesStewie

P.S my best friend was a 'soldier's daughter', only he was a colonel. She went to private school, I hardly think she was underprivileged!

The time we were talking about, lots of these people's fathers were basically conscripts

@LoislovesStewie I think @54321nought Is going to show is some peer reviewed stats reflecting the backgrounds of medical students in the 50’s and 60’s.

I’m quite interested in seeing them actually, I quite like facts and figures, its my geeky maths brain.

All this bollocks about them actually being retired lawyers, doctors and teachers; honestly, do you think we came down in the last fucking shower? People have got eyes and ears and can see they are largely young people who use it as a convenient excuse to engage in public disorder and disruption.

you clearly haven't used your ears and eyes at all

I spoke to a group last week

retired GPs
retired police
retired lawyer
retired teacher
retired builder
retired plumbers
Health worker ( not retired)
IT trouble shooter for a company (not retired)
something else IT ish- can't remember what - (not retired)

no one unemployed.

and its been similar every time I have met them

so yes, please do use your eyes and ears, and speak to them and ask!

you clearly haven't used your eyes and ears at all

@SimonJT

*personal comfort, freedom and wealth, as I have said

hours and hours , or days protesting, costs, massive losses in income, arrest, hours in cells, criminal records, risk of injury, hours or days of discomfort /hunger/rare toilet breaks,*

Do you have any stats or peer reviewed evidence of this?

err - go and look?

54321nought. OH NO HE WASN'T. I have never heard such rubbish; he was a career soldier, Sandhurst, a family history of being commissioned in the British Army.
Just find us the stats then. Because truthfully I know very few working class people of my age who went. And there are stats to show that!

@54321nought I have had a look on scholar (looked last night for XR peer reviewed material), but there wasn’t anything really relevant. If you could provide some help, or a list of references I would appreciate it.

BTW, even when I got my 3 A-levels I was still advised to try a teacher training college because that is where women were shunted off to in those days. The fact that I didn't want to be a teacher was neither here nor there!

@54321nought

Stop with the gaslighting. Nobody believes all these retired bastions of society make up the majority of XR, absolutely nobody.

You repeating these lies Ad Nauseam just makes you look silly.

I wasn't sure about joining them, but this thread has really made my mind up to do it.

They are succeeding in that they appear to be causing massive disruption, which is their aim, and in doing so are pressurising government and businesses, which is also their aim.

It is heartening to see the support they have from some posters. Quite a lot of other posters are simply people who pour out ignorant vitriol and are best disregarded on whatever thread they are doing it on.

Some posters have been badly inconvenienced, and I'm sorry this has happened, but the war on climate change the most important issue, for everyone, including you, even if you don't know it, and that's why these things are being done.

For those of you who say you support fighting climate change but don't support ERs methods, you prefer to do other things, that's great, fighting in any way is great, and thank you

but for me, you have helped me make up my mind to join in and fight the ER way

Off you pop then, byeeeeeeeeee

I wasn't sure about joining them, but this thread has really made my mind up to do it.

Yeah, right. Course you weren’t.

So you spoke to a group did you. I'm glad you have a platform to air the public's concerns and change things. Stop making excuses. Use your platform. Change things.

You have a pr problem that's pretty urgent. Whatever your intentions you are doing more harm to your cause than good.

Address that.

If you don't you should question your own motivations.

Enjoy the KFC won't you.