Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?

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In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

Programmes to help men treat women properly would be a great idea. There are at least 2 men on the street I live in who would benefit from them. They're currently very vocal about how terrible the afghan men abandoning their women are, but think nothing of treating their own wives like shit.

Sounds like the system in so many other countries - ie most African countries, India, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan...etc.

I’m not sure these are regimes we want to aspire to. And in any event, I was making the point that we can afford to support vulnerable people in this country, we actively choose not to do it. But people don’t want to acknowledge their own self interest at the expense of others so dress it up in language of austerity and being unable.

I’d have more respect for people who just acknowledged they don’t want to help others, because that might impact their own corner of the world, through better priorities in tax spending, reduced personal wealth through fair rental policies, the need to be tolerant of people who don’t live the way they do. There is no reason why the U.K. can’t fund education, health and social care - we choose not to, and then blame people fleeing war, persecution and terror for depleting our resources.

Gaslighting at its very best.

20,000 can possibly be absorbed, but dont forget the 500 plus a day coming in to Kent, in dinghies that we are also absorbing, as hardly any of them are returned, plus the ones who disappear in to the black economy, plus the Hong Kong refugees. Adds up to a lot considering that we don t have the infrastructure now to help people.
My town is plannin g thousands more houses but it is already impossible to see a GP even before Covid, the roads are permanently grid locked and the schools are over subscribed. Also the hospital that is catering for thousands more people than originally built for because the small local cottage hospitals have been closed.
Im afraid there will be a lot of resentment towards more people coming in, especially as they come from a totally different culture.
I hope its not the case

@Jellycatspyjamas

Sounds like the system in so many other countries - ie most African countries, India, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan...etc.

I’m not sure these are regimes we want to aspire to. And in any event, I was making the point that we can afford to support vulnerable people in this country, we actively choose not to do it. But people don’t want to acknowledge their own self interest at the expense of others so dress it up in language of austerity and being unable.

I’d have more respect for people who just acknowledged they don’t want to help others, because that might impact their own corner of the world, through better priorities in tax spending, reduced personal wealth through fair rental policies, the need to be tolerant of people who don’t live the way they do. There is no reason why the U.K. can’t fund education, health and social care - we choose not to, and then blame people fleeing war, persecution and terror for depleting our resources.

Gaslighting at its very best.

Hang on - we are still in the middle of a pandemic, with many people having lost jobs or have found it hard to find work.

I know a few people (families) who have been kicked out by their landlords due to them selling properties. All hard working people.

So you think we should be bountiful now again, whilst still recovering from this pandemic?

@thereisonlyoneofme

20,000 can possibly be absorbed, but dont forget the 500 plus a day coming in to Kent, in dinghies that we are also absorbing, as hardly any of them are returned, plus the ones who disappear in to the black economy, plus the Hong Kong refugees. Adds up to a lot considering that we don t have the infrastructure now to help people. My town is plannin g thousands more houses but it is already impossible to see a GP even before Covid, the roads are permanently grid locked and the schools are over subscribed. Also the hospital that is catering for thousands more people than originally built for because the small local cottage hospitals have been closed. Im afraid there will be a lot of resentment towards more people coming in, especially as they come from a totally different culture. I hope its not the case

very valid points.

The local schools, doctors etc in my local area are full or with waiting lists. New tenants of the house next door had to send their daughter to a school in the next nearby borough not their usual borough.

The roads are better (we had all the planters etc) now but weren't.

No idea about jobs.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58250211

Priti Patel has said she wants the majority of the 20,000 Afghans we re-settle to be women and girls and persecuted minorities... interesting.

@Megameg56

I also volunteered my spare bedroom

No you didn't.

*Hang on - we are still in the middle of a pandemic, with many people having lost jobs or have found it hard to find work.

I know a few people (families) who have been kicked out by their landlords due to them selling properties. All hard working people.

So you think we should be bountiful now again, whilst still recovering from this pandemic?*

Given asylum seekers aren’t able to work, they don’t be stealing “our” jobs any time soon. They’re housed in places and in conditions indigenous people refuse to live.

They too are hard working people, women who over night have lost the right to education,work, health services or even to leave home unaccompanied by a male relative. Men who worked and supported the U.K./US presence who now find themselves in danger. A situation in no small part due to the disasterous intervention of the U.K. and US.

It’s not being bounteous, it’s taking responsibility for the unholy mess we’ve helped to create.

@Jellycatspyjamas

If its really that bad then a hostel /temporary accommodation should be good enough as it has to be for us.

In my experience asylum seekers are placed in housing which has been rejected by local residents - where I am they’re housed in the worst areas in incredibly poor housing, over lockdown they were placed in budget hotels with no choice about the food provided to them (the cost of which was deducted from their paltry £37 weekly allowance). They aren’t allowed to work, can be moved with no notice, have to live where accommodation is allocated to them and if they don’t, all financial support is stopped.

It’s really not the land of milk and honey for refugees, who then also face discrimination, and the impact of misinformation and scare mongering.

God forbid some catastrophe struck the U.K. and our population found ourselves unsafe in our home country - I assume none of the doom mongers here would be seeking asylum to escape? Or maybe they’d realise the lengths desperate people will go to for the ability to live safely and raise their children.

That's not true for my area. If you have to go into temporary accommodation you (have) to take it you can't reject it because its in a crap area. If it's refused then council withdraw their duty to help. Gosh my temporary accommodation has has mice rats bed bugs cockroaches. The places are awful. There are over 10k on borough waiting to be housed. All them on the housing list are not going to reject a place to live because its a bit crap.

There are people in this country suffering as well. Things such as domestic violence. Who end up having to leave their homes. Then put onto temporary accommodation often sharing toilets /bathroom with strangers. Drug takers drinkers etc etc .

I'm not saying they should not come here at all buy join the que like we all have to. There are alot of people on this thread who I doubt really get it. Because they don't actually know what it's like to live how some of us have to.

@Jellycatspyjamas

*Hang on - we are still in the middle of a pandemic, with many people having lost jobs or have found it hard to find work.

I know a few people (families) who have been kicked out by their landlords due to them selling properties. All hard working people.

So you think we should be bountiful now again, whilst still recovering from this pandemic?*

Given asylum seekers aren’t able to work, they don’t be stealing “our” jobs any time soon. They’re housed in places and in conditions indigenous people refuse to live.

They too are hard working people, women who over night have lost the right to education,work, health services or even to leave home unaccompanied by a male relative. Men who worked and supported the U.K./US presence who now find themselves in danger. A situation in no small part due to the disasterous intervention of the U.K. and US.

It’s not being bounteous, it’s taking responsibility for the unholy mess we’ve helped to create.

I'm not saying we should not take responsibility and yes we helped to create the mess.

However, the vast majority of asylum seekers/refugees will be men not women.

I didn't say 'they' would be 'stealing our jobs' - I just said there will be unemployment in some areas with people struggling to get work.

And, of course, that’s assuming you consider being housed in the shittest of accommodation, with £37 per week to meet all your food, clothing and material needs bountiful.

@HadEnough798

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58250211

Priti Patel has said she wants the majority of the 20,000 Afghans we re-settle to be women and girls and persecuted minorities... interesting.

really?

Don’t we have studies saying upwards of 1m people have left the UK due to Brexit/covid? I’m sure we can find room for 20,000 refugees

@Cocoabutterkim

Don’t we have studies saying upwards of 1m people have left the UK due to Brexit/covid? I’m sure we can find room for 20,000 refugees

Yes, but there are also statistics that suggest we had undercounted by at least 1m, and that's the one's we know about due to them registering to be resident.

I'm not saying they should not come here at all buy join the que like we all have to.

They aren’t even in the queue, they’re housed out of a central budget not in homes available to the general public, they don’t get to join the queue unless and until their claim for asylum is granted which can take years. Years of living on less than subsistence funds, in substandard accommodation from which they can be moved at any point for any reason, years of ploughing through the endless red tape, while living with the prejudice and discrimination punted by mainstream media courtesy of the Tory hostile environment policy. After god knows what has happened in their home country.

Yes there are huge social issues in the U.K. but those could be largely resolved by investment in services, which the government refuses to do in favour of keeping the rich richer - and for some reason we keep voting for it. The erosion of social support is horrendous but the answer to that lies in Westminster, not in the dinghies crossing the Chanel, nor on the tarmac at Kabul airport.

@Kidsteens

That's not true for my area. If you have to go into temporary accommodation you (have) to take it you can't reject it because its in a crap area. If it's refused then council withdraw their duty to help. Gosh my temporary accommodation has has mice rats bed bugs cockroaches. The places are awful. There are over 10k on borough waiting to be housed. All them on the housing list are not going to reject a place to live because its a bit crap.

There are people in this country suffering as well. Things such as domestic violence. Who end up having to leave their homes. Then put onto temporary accommodation often sharing toilets /bathroom with strangers. Drug takers drinkers etc etc.

I'm not saying they should not come here at all buy join the que like we all have to. There are alot of people on this thread who I doubt really get it. Because they don't actually know what it's like to live how some of us have to.

100%.

It was only three or four days ago I contributed to a thread about the last place I lived, which was a brothel, a drugs den and a party house all at the same time. My nearest neighbour was a murderer released from prison. Rats and bed bugs were part of the norm. One tenant got an electric shock from poor shower wiring and almost died from it. Another tenant got stabbed in the throat by another and did die. I applied to be on the council list and after a 7 month wait, got a reply: NO.

I’m not saying this is because of immigration, or a reason not to welcome any, but my god, some people on here haven’t got a fucking clue how a lot of people live, and forced to live, in this country. If I wasn’t there, I’d have been on the street.

@Jellycatspyjamas

*Hang on - we are still in the middle of a pandemic, with many people having lost jobs or have found it hard to find work.

I know a few people (families) who have been kicked out by their landlords due to them selling properties. All hard working people.

So you think we should be bountiful now again, whilst still recovering from this pandemic?*

Given asylum seekers aren’t able to work, they don’t be stealing “our” jobs any time soon. They’re housed in places and in conditions indigenous people refuse to live.

They too are hard working people, women who over night have lost the right to education,work, health services or even to leave home unaccompanied by a male relative. Men who worked and supported the U.K./US presence who now find themselves in danger. A situation in no small part due to the disasterous intervention of the U.K. and US.

It’s not being bounteous, it’s taking responsibility for the unholy mess we’ve helped to create.

Once an asylum seeker becomes a refugee, i.e. they are given leave to remain, then they can approach the local authority for assistance with housing, in fact the accommodation provided while they are asylum seekers will be terminated, and they will, in all likelihood, present as homeless.

I'm not saying they should not come here at all buy join the que like we all have to.

The problem is that they can't join the queue because they need to move now.
The lives of the translators, journalists, female academics etc are at risk now.

This is one issue with this bungled withdrawal it didn't appear to give enough time to organize visas, housing etc.

I do get that if you have been sofa surfing for months it could be very frustrating to hear of others being given things that you don't have.
But not giving refugees things won't mean you get the things allocated for them instead.

I don't think it is being bountiful it is just sorting out our own mess.
But historical events like the kinder transport suggests that the UK would gain far more than it loses in being generous.

Sorry, my last was to explain that the accommodation provided to asylum seekers is one thing, but when refugee status is granted it then becomes the same as other homeless families.

Absolutely @loislovesStewie, and then they join the queue with the rest.

@ThymeafterThyme

FFS. They are human. Just like you aspire to be

I don't aspire to be human, I just am. Please let's try and have a sensible discussion. Would you want a man who is a stranger living in your house?

I'm with you. I have the utmost sympathy for refugees but I wouldn't want to be on my own with a traumatised adult male. I plan to donate to charities that will support people, buy I'm not willing to be put at risk myself.

@paddlingon

I'm not saying they should not come here at all buy join the que like we all have to.

The problem is that they can't join the queue because they need to move now.
The lives of the translators, journalists, female academics etc are at risk now.

This is one issue with this bungled withdrawal it didn't appear to give enough time to organize visas, housing etc.

I do get that if you have been sofa surfing for months it could be very frustrating to hear of others being given things that you don't have.
But not giving refugees things won't mean you get the things allocated for them instead.

I don't think it is being bountiful it is just sorting out our own mess.
But historical events like the kinder transport suggests that the UK would gain far more than it loses in being generous.

No they still come here . But they go in to temporary accommodation like the rest of us waiting to be housed. Not jump the que. Wait in temporary accommodation like we all have to. My daughter is at heigh risk. It she's still in the lowest band for housing and will wait many years . If there's people are fleeing for their lives have nothing then a hostel/temporary accommodation (like us waiting) will be good enough for them like it is for us.

[quote plodalong12]@Kidsteens

That's not true for my area. If you have to go into temporary accommodation you (have) to take it you can't reject it because its in a crap area. If it's refused then council withdraw their duty to help. Gosh my temporary accommodation has has mice rats bed bugs cockroaches. The places are awful. There are over 10k on borough waiting to be housed. All them on the housing list are not going to reject a place to live because its a bit crap.

There are people in this country suffering as well. Things such as domestic violence. Who end up having to leave their homes. Then put onto temporary accommodation often sharing toilets /bathroom with strangers. Drug takers drinkers etc etc.

I'm not saying they should not come here at all buy join the que like we all have to. There are alot of people on this thread who I doubt really get it. Because they don't actually know what it's like to live how some of us have to.

100%.

It was only three or four days ago I contributed to a thread about the last place I lived, which was a brothel, a drugs den and a party house all at the same time. My nearest neighbour was a murderer released from prison. Rats and bed bugs were part of the norm. One tenant got an electric shock from poor shower wiring and almost died from it. Another tenant got stabbed in the throat by another and did die. I applied to be on the council list and after a 7 month wait, got a reply: NO.

I’m not saying this is because of immigration, or a reason not to welcome any, but my god, some people on here haven’t got a fucking clue how a lot of people live, and forced to live, in this country. If I wasn’t there, I’d have been on the street.[/quote]
Yep I definitely. I could show photos of the crap holes in have been put in. And that's just my family there will be loads.

A pp posted
They don't jump the queue. Asylum seekers are housed in emergency accommodation, which can include new stock bought by councils from a different fund from existing housing.

This was my understanding as well. It isn't the same housing stock or funding streams that are used.
Your dd getting housed isn't impacted because it is different funding.
The likelihood is that she will remain unhoused even if not a single Afghan is housed in your area.
It is a different set of political decisions that keeps her in temporary housing.

A review of accommodation for asylum seekers found that 75% of accommodate provided was substandard, described as damp, dirty and vermin infested, the accommodation was particularly deemed unsuitable for pregnant women, women who had experienced domestic abuse and those who had experienced torture.

I imagine the situation is worse post covid. These people aren't being housed in even acceptable accommodation, much less accommodation that is safe, clean and comfortable. With no way of improving their situation through employment and no choice about where they live, or how long they live there for.

They aren't getting anything better - if anything its often measurably worse. And if they are given leave to remain, they get to join the same queue as everyone else and start all over again.