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Was I BU to contact his ex wife after adultery fault divorce?

39 replies

TheAdultress · 15/08/2021 07:16

Name changed to protect other parties anonymity.

Will try to be concise & hope won’t cause drip feed, but will answer any questions for clarity if necessary as promptly as I can.

Really need opinions; honest, frank, brutal or otherwise, as can’t stop mulling over why I did it & if it was completely inappropriate.

Short story;
I messaged, now ex boyfriends, now ex wife, to apologise for my role in causing her, and particularly her children’s, emotional upset in starting relationship with her husband, which subsequently led to her filing divorce on grounds of adultery. Was this unreasonable on my part or not?

Was I looking for trouble? Was I wanting to anger now ex boyf (he repeatedly asked me not to and how he would be very angry if I did so whilst together)? Was I looking for clarification and/or answers to the many questions I have? Looking for forgiveness? Too late to do so & therefore inappropriate?

Is he right in that it really was/is none of my business?

AND why did I then feel need (despite feeling pretty confident he would never find out) then blurt out my confession to him?!
(Spoiler: he got angry, told me it was nothing to do with me & why on Earth would I do it? But failed to explain WHY he felt so strongly about why I shouldn’t have done it. Stormed off and not answered my calls (he hangs up thinking I don’t he has 🙄) or replied to messages since.
It’s been over a week.

Story background;
Bumped into gentleman in question who I knew from school a long, long time ago, on night out.
Knew he was married with kids (small town, mutual friends, plus when previously bumped into on odd occasions every few years or so have had usual chit chat).

Tells me he’s now separated, been living back at his parents for last 18 months as she ended it. Plans for no fault divorce once 2 years up. I know this was true as mutual friends confirmed & now ex wife has told me too.

Start dating. Both want to take it slow (him because just out of 20 year relationship, 10 + years married. Me as single parent with desire to ensure potential relationships have legs before introductions & just out painful relationship - literally days out of!)

Feelings get mutually serious pretty quickly.
Lockdown happens just weeks later. Ideals & wants change immediately. He moves in for time being, no long term plan to continue past lockdown, convinced will just be a few weeks….

Wife finds out. My fault entirely as despite him asking me not to tell a soul before he’s had chance to tell her first, I swoon to best friends, promising them to secrecy. Best friend forgets this request (says can’t remember me saying, or didn’t hear as out & lots of background noise at time. Not her fault though. Entirely mine). So happy for my happiness, shares this news with another friend, knowing she is also close friend of wife….

Initially things are fine, couple of messages between us around our children being priority etc.

Suddenly she’s filed for divorce on grounds of adultery. He says, she also wants to name me on filings as third party & serve papers on me too, making me liable for paying parts of costs & potentially including my assets/income into consideration for financial settlement.

He says, he refused to tell her my address therefore protecting me from her being able to serve papers in me.

No idea if this was true (he has form lying, can’t see why he would about this though, but also can’t understand why she would consider it?) but at time was very stressed/ worried and took legal advice. Genuinely didn’t know/ realise that if separated, is still adultery. Feel so naive & stupid now.

And have genuinely thought as though I am partly to blame & responsible, so therefore is something I am part of, is also happening to me (albeit different & totally separate from their emotions, pain, stress, regrets, etc.) and therefore is something that IS to do with me.
Yet he adamantly said it was none of my business and to never get involved as I had no right.

Despite me explaining why I desperately wanted to apologise to her and the children. That is was, and never would have been, my intent to cause them pain & upset.

Respect his wishes. Keep my feelings & stress to myself throughout. Support him every step of way, financially (offering as feel partly responsible,& he saved me money keeping me from having third party papers served. he accepts although it’s still nothing to do with me 🙄), emotionally, practically (stay up all night preparing documents for him).

Strain of it all ultimately causes our demise. He ends it stating just doesn’t want to be in a relationship. This happened in February.

Divorce finalised several months later yet neglects to tell me as doesn’t think I need to know as nothing to do with me.

Promise each other to stay friends and continue to see each other sometimes daily. Though he blows hot & cold. Periods of virtually no contact from him, then periods of intensity from him as if still in relationship.

I find this confusing, conflicting and unable to move on. One minute accept it’s over & just friends, then feelings grow again and my hopes are built up as he starts behaving intimately towards me. But when I mention it question this, he blows cold immediately.

Feel that he is using me and has no respect for me based on his recent behaviours.

So randomly, for no apparent reason I can think of, I message his ex wife. Apologising for my part in the hurt I caused her and their children, albeit it genuinely unintentionally.

Admit & apologise for way she found out & take full blame for my actions.

Explain why not sent sooner, when wanted to, knew he didn’t want me to and it would really piss him off, explain have been wording what I want to say over & over in my head for over a year.

She has replied kindly, explaining I have nothing to apologise for and not even slightly to blame for what happened.

Have I been completely unreasonable to have done this?

Should I have stayed quiet after all this time?

Is he right in that it really is non of my business?

If you have got this far, thank you 😊 Would really value opinions as to if I have been unreasonable or not as been questioning myself ever since and now doubting myself and my reasonings completely.

Thank you!

OP posts:
girlmom21 · 15/08/2021 07:21

Who cares - he's clearly a pillock.
I'm not sure why she filed on the grounds of adultery if they were going to go no fault anyway but that's not your problem really.

girlmom21 · 15/08/2021 07:21

Oh I don't think your message has made a difference. He's just used it as an excuse to get out.
He was probably telling her half-truths too.

Littlescottiedog · 15/08/2021 07:22

Well, she's beyond gracious in replying the way she did.

But I do think apologies like this are more about making the person saying it feel better about themselves than actually apologising. You said yourself you did it because he wouldn't have wanted you to and it would piss him off. That's not a proper apology in my opinion and I don't think you should have contacted her.

Apeirogon · 15/08/2021 07:25

Hi OP. It's quite a complicated story, but I guess my feeling is, shrug, does it matter?

Clearly you and this guy aren't right for each other and you should block him and move on for a whole host of reasons. This reason, whether you're in the right or wrong or it's a grey area, is far less important than all the others.

notanothertakeaway · 15/08/2021 07:27

For starters, stop sleeping with him, and move on. It's messing with your head

I think it was OK to get involved with someone who was separated, and lots of people wouldn't realise that it's still adultery on the part of the married partner (ie he committed adultery, not you)

I would guess the DW had been willing to wait 2 years, in the absence of any other ground for divorce, but then thought his new relationship was ground for divorce, so may as well crack on with it

I have very strong views on affairs, but in this case, they were separated

lunar1 · 15/08/2021 07:28

It doesn't really matter now does it? Was it just him telling you she wanted to name you?

I really don't think anyone should involve themselves in another couples divorce process though.

shakeitoffshakeacocktail · 15/08/2021 07:30

You've now got closure and bonus will not end up back with dickhead ex because you've pissed him off.

You don't know the full story of their marriage, you never will, you know your small part and have apologised. It's done but you are massively overthinking it all. She has 20 years to unpack, you are a side note I'm afraid.
It's probably helped her out too you are all better off, ex can go reflect and change (yeah right 🤣)

RedMarauder · 15/08/2021 07:32

OP you are unlikely the first woman her ex-husband cheated with during their marriage, but you were the one who made her call it a day.

I know several cheating ex-husbands in my family and social circle and they didn't just cheat with one woman before their then wives have enough.

As PPs said block the guy, learn from this experience and move on.

44PumpLane · 15/08/2021 07:33

If they had been separated for 18 months then you did nothing wrong and had nothing to apologise for.

Chances are she wanted to get the divorce done and dusted but the 2 year wait for "no fault" had to be agreed upon if there was nothing else to help the divorce proceed without creating acrimony between the couople.

Perhaps the adultery was a convenient (perhaps even welcome) enabler to get divorce proceedings sped up. You'll never know.

From the detiso you've given your apology sounds more about you than the ex wife, so for that YABU.

However, to me, it sounds like you did nothing wrong.

He also sounds like a tool though.

arcof · 15/08/2021 07:35

I think you've been had

All that nonsense about naming you as a co-respondent and your assets being taken into account is complete claptrap, your assets would never have been taken into account. Naming you as a co- respondent would just have increased costs for her and I doubt she was ever going to do that.

You've messaged the wife because you knew he'd/he will react to you and that's what you want - the fleeting high that he offers occasionally that you're addicted to, even if the interaction is a negative one.

You need to block him, stop accepting his crumbs and move the heck on!!!

MagnoliaBeige · 15/08/2021 07:35

It reads like your primary reasons were to make yourself feel better and to annoy your ex partner - you had no consideration about how his ex wife would feel about a bolt from the blue from you dredging up memories from what was very probably a tough time in her life. I think you’re lucky you got a response, never mind a gracious one plus it doesn’t sound like you were instrumental in their breakup, you just got caught in the crossfire so your motivation was even more dubious.

phishy · 15/08/2021 07:39

He says, she also wants to name me on filings as third party & serve papers on me too, making me liable for paying parts of costs & potentially including my assets/income into consideration for financial settlement.

He says, he refused to tell her my address therefore protecting me from her being able to serve papers in me.

No idea if this was true (he has form lying, can’t see why he would about this though

He’s lying! Run for the hills.

DeathStare · 15/08/2021 07:41

You sound like a drama queen to be honest.

From this story your ex and his wife were divorcing anyway. They were separated, you did nothing wrong. For some reason the wife thought using the grounds of adultery would be helpful to her - I'm not sure why, maybe it sped things up. BUT your ex had to agree to this- if he didnt he could have opposed it.

The details of his divorce are really none of your business and in writing to his ex-wife you are just involving yourself in something that is nothing to do with you, and making it all about you.

The rest of your post sounds like you really still want to be with him and as though you are trying to stay involved in his life. You really need to just break it off - he doesn't want to be with you and doesn't need to involve you in, or tell you, anything

HugeAckmansWife · 15/08/2021 07:44

Actually she could have been pursued for some costs, though not assets if named. Its v rare these days though. OP just move on. Who cares what he thinks? Draw a line. If you have mutual friends still tell them the same and just don't discuss it anymore.

phishy · 15/08/2021 07:46

Not if he can prove he had moved out 18 months ago!

AmazinglyGraceless · 15/08/2021 07:51

Yes Yabu and your actions in messaging her were ridiculous...I'm honestly cringing for you, as I suspect was she judging by her 'kind' response.

I think you've dramatically overestimated your importance in this scenario and have made a bit of a tit of yourself in the process. You were nothing to do with their marriage, split or divorce.

dayswithaY · 15/08/2021 07:52

This is a lot of hot air over nothing. Ex wife says she's fine with you, you and him are over, end of story. Don't try to ramp it up into a drama when it really isn't. Move on.

CovidCorvid · 15/08/2021 07:56

Do you think subconsciously you did it knowing he didn’t want you to and hoping this would drive him away and help you move on? You should block him, he sounds like a twat and you’re wasting your life.

TheGumption · 15/08/2021 07:58

It seems like you thrive on the drama of it all.

54321nought · 15/08/2021 07:59

YABU for posting such a long story, which I didn't finish reading, but TABU too for contacting the ex . Why would you? sounds like an exercise in stirring

Eviethyme · 15/08/2021 08:00

Sounds like you just like the drama to be honest. Sounds like everyone else is moving on except you.

His ex wife has moved on and now he's moving on too except using you probably for sex until he finds another woman.

I would get out of the whole situation and have nothing to do with anyone in that circle.

And he was right as well his divorce has absolute nothing to do with you so stop looking for drama.

KellyJonesLeatherTrousers · 15/08/2021 08:02

You’re clearly still too invested in him and fit reads as if you messaged the ex wife primarily to get a rise out of him to be honest.

**I find this confusing, conflicting and unable to move on.
Just move on. It’s only confusing if you give it value.

**Feel that he is using me and has no respect for me based on his recent behaviours..
I’d be more concerned about the respect you have for yourself. Find some and move on.

youdoyoutoday · 15/08/2021 08:08

OMG!!! I can't cope with drama from reading your post!!
To me, it looks like you've done this to annoy your ex as some sort attention seeking thing. You now need to accept this relationship is over, cut contact with him and get over it.
And don't contact his wife again, she's had enough this so stop being so dramatic and drop it all now.

CheeseyMcCheeseface · 15/08/2021 08:09

I would have blocked you if I was the ex wife. Move on.

CorvusPurpureus · 15/08/2021 08:11

I was strongly advised by my solicitor not to file for divorce citing adultery.

This was because my then stbxh could simply have denied it, claiming the OW was just a friend, whereas 'unreasonable behaviour' was easy to demonstrate. Solicitor said it would just drag the whole mess out, as stbxh hadn't wanted me to divorce him, was being monumentally obstructive over everything. His advice was that it would just muddy the waters & end up more expensive.

Fine by me, I just wanted rid of the horrible bugger without having to wait 2 years! Grin So I was very happy to take solicitor's professional advice.

If your ex-boyfriend's wife did file for adultery, it's probably because she was pissed off at him & wanted to make a point. It's not really a practical route to a quicker or cheaper divorce, especially if they'd already been separated for 18 months & she'd heard third hand.

I'd be inclined to take her at her word that it's all about their relationship/break up dynamics & not your problem.

& ditch the dithering, grumpy tosser for once & for all. He really doesn't sound either nice or reliable!