2nd thread: AIBU to OBJECT to being asked to reframe my trauma by Edinburgh Rape Crisis CEO?

[herewegogc]

Hi all 2nd thread as the last one was filling up fast.

I can't help but wonder if that's what a lot of the TRA starting shouting so loudly about - "You're not taking any notice of us! Look at me. LOOK AT ME!". But MW has taken it so much further, MW wants us punished.

Many TRAs do. I dread to think what they would have been like in the 17th century witch-hunts, or the Inquisition or similar.

I dread to think what they would have been like in the 17th century witch-hunts, or the Inquisition or similar.

Plus ca change.

Charles Dickens and the Brontes were taking the mickey out of the fallen women/its all for your own good/ workhouse relief will be given grudgingly to the evil if they repent misogynistic men about 200 years ago. Mr Murdstone and Mr Brocklehurst being two examples where what they say in the books could be posted into a twitter thread and look very much in place.

It's depressing as it makes clear, the underlying attitudes towards women never go away, they just at times bubble under the surface until they find the current socially acceptable outlet.

@Orgasmagorical

This is such an important facet to acknowledge in all of this. Most people don't actually care if someone is gender non conforming. I don't care what someone wants to be called or how they want to dress. It's not actually that interesting.

I can't help but wonder if that's what a lot of the TRA starting shouting so loudly about - "You're not taking any notice of us! Look at me. LOOK AT ME!". But MW has taken it so much further, MW wants us punished. Or is there a teeny tiny touch of sexual sadism disorder in the mix.

Yes, agreed. Especially after reading that story about MW attending a party, where all was going fine people getting on well. Then suddenly out of nowhere MW demands to know whether the people attending believe them to be a woman or not?! And everyone else was made to feel extremely uncomfortable so that MW could reassure themselves.

How narcissistic is that? They needed to ensure that everyone attending stopped what they were doing and validated MW's view of themselves. What kind of a person does that?

I'm not sure MW created that situation for personal reassurance. It would seem from the description that it was more a confident act of control. People were forced in front of the crowd to swear fealty or face the social consequences. Exceptionally rude, self centred, grandiose and domineering.

I'd have put down my glass and discovered an urgent need to wash my goldfish's hair.

What a toxic mess. The crazy part is I was abused by a transperson when I showed up at a women's shelter. They were the most abusive person in there and made other people's lives a nightmare. İt was a really horrible place for everyone. We were sharing rooms with all kinds of trauma and there was a lot of aggresiveness. The transperson got their own room and special treatment and still kept shouting about how 'poorly' they were being treated. The staff shut down the computer room during the women's only session because the trans person got upset that I asked them to stop shouting about their boyfriend whilst I was trying to work and improve my life prospects. So yeah of course women have it so easy turning up at a shelter and being welcomed with loving arms. 😂

I'm sorry you experienced that, Peppapig . That strengthens my opinion that it's all about the attention some trans people are so desperate for.

As I think a PP has already said, if MW was really all for transpeople's rights, surely MW would be calling for separate spaces for transpeople, not making a fuss about what female RCC users want or should have a right to. Why is MW bothered?

I'd have put down my glass and discovered an urgent need to wash my goldfish's hair.

Place marking because I tried to follow the link from the old thread and it didn't bring me here.

Will now catch up reading.

@Orgasmagorical

I'm sorry you experienced that, Peppapig . That strengthens my opinion that it's all about the attention some trans people are so desperate for.

As I think a PP has already said, if MW was really all for transpeople's rights, surely MW would be calling for separate spaces for transpeople, not making a fuss about what female RCC users want or should have a right to. Why is MW bothered?

I'd have put down my glass and discovered an urgent need to wash my goldfish's hair.

Separate spaces aren't enough. Only a zero sum game in which women lose single sex spaces, even at their most traumatised and vulnerable, are enough.

The least worrying possible explanation is that MW and all those like MW prioritise the validation of their feminine identities in all places, without exception, even more than the immediate needs of raped women with female bodies.

The worst possible explanation is sinister and terrifying.

'The worst possible explanation is sinister and terrifying.' Yes and the concentrated effort to dismantle safeguarding of women and girls puts me in mind of P.I.E back in the 70s. Sorry about the wiki link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaedophileInformationn_Exchange. I can't see any other end game.

@Artichokeleaves

I'm not sure MW created that situation for personal reassurance. It would seem from the description that it was more a confident act of control. People were forced in front of the crowd to swear fealty or face the social consequences. Exceptionally rude, self centred, grandiose and domineering.

I'd have put down my glass and discovered an urgent need to wash my goldfish's hair.

You're right, it was domineering and attempt to assert control, which is even more sinister.

This person should be nowhere near vulnerable women.

What can we, ordinary women, do to help change this situation?

relevant thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4321055-Scottish-women-actions-to-take

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