To wonder if people like David Cameron ever feel shame?

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I dont think he does

If Cameron and the like had any sense of decency or shame, they wouldn’t behave like this in the first place. They are embarrassed by being found out but never fundamentally feel that they’ve done anything wrong so no, they don’t have any real sense of shame.

@SlipperyLizard I was going to link to that article too. Very revealing.

@PicsInRed

Yes and no, they feel the stress and heat of public judgement, but not remorse. It's the same as Tony Blair, presently desperately trying to rehabilitate himself, not from remorse for millions dead and an entire region wrecked, but simply wanting to restore his "good name" for posterity. Just watch, David Cameron will be doing the same soon enough.

This.

Self delusional men that are beyond selfish, yet perceive themselves misunderstood, harshly judged or a victim of circumstances.

Both odious.

@Andante57

I found this Guardian piece both compelling a d horrifying

It’s strange how the Guardian frequently write pieces about the iniquities of private education when so many of its journalists are privately educated and educated their children privately.

Hmm, and does the Scott Trust/Guardian Media Group still indulge themselves in tax avoidance (sorry, they’d prefer tax mitigation) schemes? And do they still write various articles about why it’s so very different when they do it as opposed to when those awful right wing types do it? But, in any case, to answer OPs question, no, the likes of David Cameron feel no shame.

Nope… they’re cushioned by wealth and surrounded by people who think like they do

He's probably a psychopath, hence the lack of empathy and apparent abundance of self belief, with no self awareness or remorse to keep him awake at night. It's sad that so many people who rise to positions of power seem to lack a moral compass.

Probably not. I can't compute that he has made £7million while some people are struggling to feed themselves.

Nope, shame and morals is just for us plebs.

Nope.

People like this fail to see how much impact their privileged upbringing has and think they've "worked hard" for everything they have, or my other favourite, have "taken risks other people aren't prepared to take".

It's a sort of terrifically thick skinned tunnel vision, a blindness to reality.

I mean god what actual work did DC do that was truly worthy of £7m of remuneration in a couple of years?

I don’t think so no, they are so arrogant and believe they are the elite ruling class that they are above any sort of moral decency.

Last week whilst staying in a hotel we had a daily maid service and I felt very uncomfortable having them clean up after us. Most didn’t speak any English and I hope they weren’t being exploited and paid decently. I suppose if you are brought up with servants you just expect it and think it’s normal to have people do things for you.

Nah. Zero f@@ks given.

He feels he got everything he was due and will dine out on it for the rest of his days sadly.

His wife must be the same

People like this fail to see how much impact their privileged upbringing has and think they've "worked hard" for everything they have

I can never fathom why so many working/lower middle class people fall for this narrative.

The elites as an entity can only rule successfully if they use their power to bat any weight of guilt and shame downwards to the plebs. Its always been that way.

I imagine there are some situations where the people they value disapprove of them might provoke shame but the disapproval of the little people is irrelevant.

I think they’re only surrounded by like people. Believing their riches reflect that they are somehow better, with trust funds and “tax planning” to keep them safe for generations, believing they have earned their bounty. I don’t mean this of all rich people at all, or even most - but there is certainly a rotten core who act like this. They’re called the current Tories and their donors. I’m actually from a social group you’d assume would vote for them, but I came across them at uni and career. Most appeared to be sociopaths. The uni group was particularly vile. I think Blair is very much the same ilk, all of them more worried about their “legacy” (CV) as a pp has said than actually identifying how the county could improve and then actioning it. The last time I think a politician did that was May, who outlined I think five key areas for change (which then seemed to get discarded, maybe by brexit). At least she turned up to a thankless job every day and doesn’t seem to have lobbied since… the recent etonians are like trash.

[quote SlipperyLizard]I found this Guardian piece both compelling a d horrifying:

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/08/public-schoolboys-boris-johnson-sad-little-boys-richard-beard[/quote]
I read that at the weekend, summed up Boris, Cameron and their ilk perfectly.

People like this fail to see how much impact their privileged upbringing has and think they've "worked hard" for everything they have

I can never fathom why so many working/lower middle class people fall for this narrative.

They fall for it because the aspire to it.

I think he will be blanking himself. If there's corruption surely he could go to jail. He is in deep doodoo - I hope he doesn't weasel his way out of it.

Think feelings are complex/distorted in people who've been socialised in very peculiar subcultures like Eton and Bullingdon.

@OverByYer

Don’t be daft. People like him and Boris only care about themselves and their bank balances

Don't forget Tony Blair in your little list.

As @Miniestelle said:

“ Ive come to the conclusion that elites like David Cameron, Johnson etc.. are bred with a sense of certainty that they will rule and have great power. To enable this to happen they must also have great confidence and self belief ”

Yep, from the handful I’ve seen close up they usually come with, on the surface at least, a massive amount of self confidence/self belief, and that in itself is seen (rightly or wrongly) as an asset in many lines of work…..

[quote SlipperyLizard]I found this Guardian piece both compelling a d horrifying:

www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/08/public-schoolboys-boris-johnson-sad-little-boys-richard-beard[/quote]
Yes, it's grim. All that money and all you do is make your kids miserable so they can rake in millions and still not be happy. What on earth is the point? If I won £7million, I would honestly give most of it away. What would I need it for? How could I live having all that when people are starving? What do these people do with this money? Spend it on giving their own children a traumatic start in life? It's just utterly bizarre. Johnson is another, of course. All that opportunity, all that money, his current kids despise him and he's busy having more who are guaranteed to end up the same. And yet these people genuinely believe they are the definition of success. It would be a joke if it wasn't so devastatingly sad.

@Andante57

I found this Guardian piece both compelling a d horrifying

It’s strange how the Guardian frequently write pieces about the iniquities of private education when so many of its journalists are privately educated and educated their children privately.

Ha! ..yup

I think Eton teaches them such a sense of entitlement and superiority that they can’t feel shame.