and the Irish again

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have overtaken Britain in fully vaccinated percentages. For all the vitriol spouted here against them for months and months, you have to wonder about the press also, driving opinions and backing up Brexit. Well done lads.

people for some reason are very anti the English who are one of the kindest people on the planet

What a remarkably silly statement.

Agree with @WhatsMyNameGonnaBeNow. I'm delighted Ireland's slow start with vaccinations has turned out well, and while (as someone who only left the UK after 25 years just before the first lockdown) I'm as impatient as any other person with Boris's Brexiteering grandstanding, I don't think comparisons between the two countries have ever felt less relevant.

Mn does have a persistent streak of anti-Irish rhetorica, but the only anti-Irish 'vitriol' I've seen on here recently was about a notice on the door of an Irish branch of Costa about unvaccinated people being unable to sit inside, which turned into the Irish government being akin to Nazi Germany demonising Jewish people, and was straight from Uninformed Internet Asshattery 101.

@Bellend101

How strange that a country with 4 million adults would have a quicker vaccination rate than four nations (it's the UK, not Britain FYI OP) with a combined adult population of almost 54 million 🤔

I think the point for Ireland is that there was a severe supply problem from the beginning and we were told that pfizer would just be for the elderly and the extremely medically vulnerable but once AstraZeneca became available we'd all just stride on down to our GP or pharmacist for our jab. But the AstraZeneca supply was in very small amounts and within days of starting to give them to medically vulnerable people they had to stop due to the deaths and additional risk of CSVT reported in other countries. Then they had to limit AstraZeneca so they chose the over 60s to get that while all other age groups got Pfizer or Moderna, then it emerged the game changer we'd been waiting for from Johnson & Johnson also was delayed and had similar side effects so only the over 40s could have it. Then some of the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson we were promised started actually being delivered so due to the glut they were offered to any over 18s who might want them. Then we bought an additional 1 million doses from Romania and were able to offer Pfizer to anyone over 16 at walk in centers over the weekend. The UK is a useful benchmark along with other countries that had a headstart but it should be mid way through the article not the headline in my opinion. I do wonder if the lack of supply encouraged more people to want the vaccine whereas in countries with reliable supply the talk of it being available to whoever wanted it might have caused complacency.

I think the Irish like the English, Scots, Welsh and northern Irish were generally happy to accept AZ. This helped all of us in the end. At least one of the Oxford vaccine designers is an Irish female scientist and that may have also played a role instilling confidence? We didn’t seem to suffer the hesitation in our 5 nations as some other countries have.
Well done all of us

What ! I am irish living in the republic and feel the vaccine roll out has finally got its act together. I am in admiration of the mass vaccine roll out that the uk have done in a matter of 7 months millions upon millions of people and us here with 4 .8 million people. C'mon !!
Are we ever getting outta lockdown lite here???. The word freedom NEVER mentioned in the media .
I am convinced public health guidance is the new religion. No gatherings allowed save for weddings and croke park allowing thousands in in 2 weeks time for the semi final. I am far from guffaawing at us here but sit in horror at the control unfolding in our midst with no end in sight.
In sum up- im just happy most are vaccinated and happy that the uk are too. Just any kudos is for the uk with their impressive vaccination drive !! End of

RitaFires
I think the difference is that that is total doses and Ireland uses the one dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine which the UK doesn't so Ireland can have the same or more people fully vaccinated on less overall doses.

There are notes in my link:

The data is compiled from government sources by the Our World in Data project at the University of Oxford. A vaccinated person refers to someone who has received at least one dose of a vaccine, and a fully vaccinated person has received all required doses of a vaccine. For the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, a person who is “fully vaccinated” has received two doses...

Note: Vaccination data is based on government reports and is provided by the Our World in Data project at the University of Oxford. Data is based on reports at the time of publication. At times, officials revise reports or offer incomplete information. Data for some countries may differ from Our World in Data as The New York Times verifies this information.

Population estimates might differ between sources.

There were peiple on threads banging on and on about how the UK was world beating in the vaccine race, and how terrible the EU were, how it proved Brexit right etc etc...and there were comments about how Ireland should have teamed up with the UK and would regret it.
Wasn't exactly widespread, but they have been proven wrong. Ireland is absolutely smashing it with the vaccines and to scale had a far lower death toll than the UK, due to much better leadership and more sensible lockdown policies.

Are we ever getting outta lockdown lite here???. The word freedom NEVER mentioned in the media

Well yeah, because we don't indulge in the silly pretence that we weren't at all times free. We don't go in for the daft jingoism and soundbite info that Boris goes in for. We are all going about our usual lives, we can eat out, travel, work, do anything we want.

@Qwerty789

There were peiple on threads banging on and on about how the UK was world beating in the vaccine race, and how terrible the EU were, how it proved Brexit right etc etc...and there were comments about how Ireland should have teamed up with the UK and would regret it. Wasn't exactly widespread, but they have been proven wrong. Ireland is absolutely smashing it with the vaccines and to scale had a far lower death toll than the UK, due to much better leadership and more sensible lockdown policies.

Yes, quite - the “world beating” rhetoric has not aged well!

The word freedom NEVER mentioned in the media

And yet the much-heralded 'Freedom Day' in the UK comes upon a death toll of close to 130,000. That doesn't fill you with 'horror'?

@Clavinova Apologies I didn't see the other part of the table just the number of doses and I thought it wasn't necessarily inconsistent.

Nor does the "absolutely smashing it" rhetoric.

Or should we start crowing that the UK no longer has the highest death tool, by any measure, start looking askance at Italy, Andorra, Sweden, Netherlands etc?

Or should we finally accept that the geography of each nation makes its covid susceptibility different from any other country?

The only important things is that each country does what is best for its specific circumstances and that richer countries start sending excess doses as soon aspossible.

The UK had a higher infection rate etc etc etc so went with the first vaccine possible.

Ireland was in a slightly better position, fewer people, lower infection rates and could wait for the single dose vaccine more easily than many other countries. Neither was wrong, but both (all counties) took a chance with their roll out choices.

Can we all grow up and use our logic rather than our jingoistic national pride now?

YAB horribly U trying to stir up bad feeling when there hasn't been any, OP.

@SusannahSophia

Perhaps Ireland have been more successful vaccinating the harder to reach groups? Or have a smaller proportion of vaccine sceptics?

Probably because adults have to have had the jab or have had Covid to access indoor hospitality. Perhaps the UK should try this.

Can we all grow up and use our logic rather than our jingoistic national pride now?

Quite. I'm as glad when an Ethiopian person gets a vaccine as I am when a British person does. Good for the Irish if their vaccination rates are good. Good for the UK ditto.

@ValidUser

Vitriol against the Irish? Where?

Genuine question. I'm Irish and haven't seen it.

Same here.

Are you trying to pretend the endless "yeah we're doing amazing, we're the best!" threads that were counting up the numbers vaccinated in Britain?

Because whilst they were irritating, because those post just kept coming and it just seemed like the vaccine tool out here would NEVER get started, it was more envy than vitriol.

It was like a starting a jugganort, so slow to start seemingly taking forever to vaccinate those in their 80s, and the once it got going there was no stopping it. 15 year old soon to be done.

I'm Irish and living in Ireland, just saying

Must add I don't think you can buy the well it's a smaller population. Not unless the UK have proportionally fewer vaccination centres.

It's not like there's just one nurse in each country vaccinating everyone.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

See *@Bellend101* you're doing it too!

Just fucking stop it. Logic is a heinous crime!

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@CuriousaboutSamphire

See *@Bellend101* you're doing it too!

Just fucking stop it. Logic is a heinous crime!

I'm sorry, I don't know what got into me. Illogical behaviour will resume forthwith.

Irish too. Uk had great rollout vaccine wise. Ours was slow to get going but good rollout now thank god

Am I living in a parallel universe ?

Thank you @Bellend101. I expect nothing less!

Wtf are you on about OP?

But in a more general sense, as an Irish person who’s been more than critical of my government over the last while, all credit to them for ramping up the pace the last few months and making such progress. It’s been a fantastic effort.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Nor does the "absolutely smashing it" rhetoric.

Or should we start crowing that the UK no longer has the highest death tool, by any measure, start looking askance at Italy, Andorra, Sweden, Netherlands etc?

Or should we finally accept that the geography of each nation makes its covid susceptibility different from any other country?

The only important things is that each country does what is best for its specific circumstances and that richer countries start sending excess doses as soon aspossible.

The UK had a higher infection rate etc etc etc so went with the first vaccine possible.

Ireland was in a slightly better position, fewer people, lower infection rates and could wait for the single dose vaccine more easily than many other countries. Neither was wrong, but both (all counties) took a chance with their roll out choices.

Can we all grow up and use our logic rather than our jingoistic national pride now?

What are you talking about? It wasn't geography that made the differnce, and Ireland didn't wait for any single dose vaccine, we've barely used that one. There were reasons that we had fewer cases and fewer deaths, and it wasn't geography or luck.

Our then Taoiseach made hard and unpopular decisions very early on.

I can remember many a post pontificating how Irish people must be feeling about vaccines , etc despite being on the thread. I regularly asked them to tell me how I felt, I mean I couldn't possibly know. I regularly was dismissed.

Apparently I was meant to bow to the superior knowledge of posters regarding what was happening in Ireland about the vaccine rollout while working in the HSE and been involved in the vaccine rollout.

Our walk in clinics at the weekend were a phenomenal success, that was all done while we in the HSE are still dealing with the cyber attack aftermath.