To think children may see things we can’t?

[Opal93]

My son is autistic and his language is disordered so it’s very hard to ask him what he actually means when he tells us something, but lately there have been a few instances where he has said things that have spooked us out a bit! Tonight he was at my mums, and he said “goodnight nana Marlene” (my mums mum who died when he was one) and started singing her favourite Doris Day song, word for word which he has never heard before and I didn’t know of the song until my mum told me today he started singing it and she has no idea how he knew it. My dad died when I was 16 and my son knows his photo. We were in a park the other week and my son pointed behind me and said “it’s grandad Stephen!” And I looked behind me thinking he probably saw a man that looked like the photo but there was nobody there. Another time, he started talking to my husbands dad about “nanny Margaret.” I didn’t realise he even had a nanny Margaret but apparently it was my husbands dads mums name. Then he said nanny Margaret has a big belly, and my FIL looked freaked out then and said she had a massive hernia that ruptured and killed her. I wouldn’t say I’m a believer in ghosts or life after death but it does make me wonder. Any other experiences of kids sensing things?

@Daisylookslost

Absolutely agree with that *@Eeiliethya*. Anyone with science based PHD/s wish to comment on how this topic is ridiculous? Can I add to your list Eben Alexander, neurosurgeon, his book is a very interesting and thought provoking read.

Given that *@Eeiliethya* apparently thinks she’s got some kind of ‘gotcha’ moment by mentioning the work of a man whose work has been subject to a complete takedown as unsubstantiated pseudoscience in The Lancet, I’m not sure her thoughts on this bear much scrutiny.

I’m always faintly amused by the rabid scoffers on this sort of thread, who furiously deny the existence of anything that hasn’t been proved under lab conditions.

My DM was occasionally acutely telepathic over long distances. I know this because she would tell us at the time, not after the event, and would relate exact details, which would only come to light later.

However it only ever happened (AFAIK) when someone close was in some sort of severe distress. So it could never have been proved under lab conditions.

Nobody still knows every single thing the human brain is capable of picking up. When you think of how infinitely more complex it is than a cheap radio, which can pick up invisible waves, it’s not remotely surprising.

@Pedalpushers

This is such a strange commonly held belief to me. Adult brains are so demonstrably more powerful than those of children and yet everyone is so keen to believe that children have some untapped power. Shame they don't use it to converse properly or not shit themselves five times a day.

@TableFlowerss

*SPIRITS* not bludy sports 🤣

I did wonder. 😀

Well, like I said, there’s no scientific evidence, but people have their own evidence- the evidence of their own eyes and ears. Of course this is rather dubious in many cases - but at some point people do trust their own senses. People cannot expect others to believe it - but equally they can maybe hope that people won’t call them idiots for using their own experiences to inform their own beliefs

I agree there’s no need for people to be nasty about it, when it’s just a belief, but a pp up thread was right in that, in the case of psychics/mediums etc and those that charge for their ‘services’, there is a very sinister undertone.

The exploit people’s grief. So the more people that buy in to this notion the more people will be exploited

Yes it's called imagination, children have it in buckets, sadly lost in many by the time we are adults.

@SmallChairs Your post to @Eeiliethya has an unnecessarily sneery tone - just the sort of thing some of us have been discussing.

I am simply pointing out that the person she has suggested everyone should read as a scientist who provides evidence for life after death is someone whose work has been dismissed by the world’s major medical journal.

Some people are more sensitive to atmospheres than others. Can that be scientifically proven or quantified?

Are children more sensitive to some kind of other energy because they have less filters?

I believe we are so detached from our primal instincts and rely on absolute concepts that any idea of other energies is unfathomable to some.

@SmallChairs
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree about your sneery tone. You certainly weren’t simply ‘pointing out’ anything! Look at the words you used. It seems some people can’t sense their own tone let alone anything more obscure!

@TableFlowerss I take your point about the potential for exploitation- but, again, it does sort of presuppose that people are not able to use their own senses, their own judgement, their own discernment.

This is interesting. DS2 has a bear who's probably only slightly less important to him than me. I have to talk to Bear as if he's real. When he was 4, he once said "you know Bear's not real, don't you, Mummy?" Now he's nearly 10, he's adamant he is real. He has ADHD, if that makes any difference. I'm wondering what changed.

Alexander was apparently an atheist before his ND experience because of his background in neurosurgery.

I was really puzzling over what you meant by believe in sports!

Sorry above @TableFlowerss

[quote Shakespeare79]@SmallChairs
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree about your sneery tone. You certainly weren’t simply ‘pointing out’ anything! Look at the words you used. It seems some people can’t sense their own tone let alone anything more obscure!

@TableFlowerss I take your point about the potential for exploitation- but, again, it does sort of presuppose that people are not able to use their own senses, their own judgement, their own discernment.[/quote]
No, the sneer was fully intended. Someone who implies that there is scientific evidence for life after death (that sceptics are wilfully ignoring) but gives the name of someone whose work a quick internet search would show is completely discredited really deserve some ‘tone’. I assure you it was entirely intentional.

@Terhou This was in the early 80s so no she wouldn't have seen the (big) movie. I suppose she may have seen A Night To Remember but not sure how often it was screened back then, chances seem quite slim.

@BunnytheFriendlyDragon

I believe this. I think maybe because they are not conditioned like most adults to believe that ghosts don't exist and you'll be considered mad if you say you've seen something. I've seen things but as an adult.

My younger sibling had a phase of crying and saying "I want to go home" when we were at home together as a family.

I notice my young baby often seems to focus on something above or being me but I realise hoping this is likely just because he hasn't learned to focus properly yet

DS 9 has ADHD and a phobia of getting his hair washed. He screams "I want my mummy!" as a coping mechanism. He doesn't mean he has a different mummy.

@ImInStealthMode, I seem to remember it being on from time to time in in the afternoons in my childhood

@Terhou

I remember a slightly more dramatic story from a friend who at 3 was taken to Southampton docks as part of a day trip. She had an utter meltdown and when pressed said that's where she'd got on the boat to America that sank and she went into the cold water confused She was far too young to know anything about the Titanic, much less that they were at the place it left from.

But could anyone be sure that she hadn't heard people talking about a shipwreck or been in the house when the Titanic film was on? Given that she could see a lot of big ships, it's no big deal that she associated them with people going on journeys in ships - indeed it would be natural for adults to have prepared her for the trip by telling her that she would be seeing ships that sailed all over the world.

IMO it would be an extremely unusual 3 year old who could both have heard/seen those things and related them so specifically to a place she was later taken to.

More unusual than a three year old who remembers a past life involving being in the wreck of the Titanic?

@SmallChairs Oh so the sneery tone was intended. It’s just that when I first suggested you were being sneery you objected. 🤷‍♀️

I was a nurse for forty years, I dealt with a lot of death in that time.
I saw things I can't explain around a number of those deaths. None of which would stand up to scientific scrutiny I suppose. Nevertheless they happened.

@SmallChairs

More unusual than a three year old who remembers a past life involving being in the wreck of the Titanic?

😳🤔

@stonebrambleboy

I was a nurse for forty years, I dealt with a lot of death in that time. I saw things I can't explain around a number of those deaths. None of which would stand up to scientific scrutiny I suppose. Nevertheless they happened.

Could you give examples *Stone*

I was preparing a patient prior to removal of the body to the mortuary. As it was night shift there were little staff around, normally two of us would do this procedure together as it needed two to role the body and wash the patients back and dress in the shroud. So I started to wash the lady's face and fix her hair expecting my colleague to arrive at any time. I was aware of a light appearing at the side of the bed ( dimly lit ward as night time) I assumed it was my colleague with a torch, but it was a figure bathed in light I don't know if it male or female. The atmosphere was very calm and I wasn't frightened at all, in fact it was quite comforting, the figure stayed for quite a while watching me, then gradually the light faded and it was gone.
I also followed a person who I thought was a doctor (in the days when they wore white coats) into a side room where a patient was dying. The 'doctor' vanished into thin air I checked the patient and he has died.
I could write a book!

[quote Shakespeare79]@SmallChairs Oh so the sneery tone was intended. It’s just that when I first suggested you were being sneery you objected. 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
I didn't 'object', I repeated the substance of what I was saying. Look, @Shakespeare79, I have no beef with you whatsoever -- I think we're both interested in ghosts as a phenomenon, and in what and how they mean for different cultures etc (I was fascinated by Jinn stories when I lived in the middle east, not to mention things like Pinoy health superstitions involving dwarves), but I don't have a lot of patience with the type of poster who keeps reiterating that the supernatural/life after death exists because some stage psychic 'knew things he couldn't have known'/I once saw something in my dark bedroom when I was six after waking up in the middle of the night/since my grandfather died, he sends me white feathers or repetitions of numbers. Or who says 'Science PROVES this' and then refers people to someone who has been thoroughly discredited.