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Original poster

Want medical treatment, have a covid test!

29 replies

WhatsNext2021 · 02/08/2021 17:41

After spending a few days in hospital with DC. I was really shocked to hear one adult refuse to have a covid test and refuse consent for their DC to have one prior to their DC having an operation where a number of surgeons, nurses and staff will be working on their DC.

I was disgusted. I just felt so sorry for the CEV and critically ill children on the ward, the doctors, nurses and staff who tire endlessly to save lives and all of us who have sacrificed things in our own way to help protect other people.

That other adults DC could have had a test whilst unconscious on the operating table and the adult could have been an adult about it and just do the test.

I did the test and agreed to my baby to being tested. It wasn't that traumatic for the baby, they just did a little tickle on the back of the throat and all was well.

So, IMHO if you want medical treatment then you must have a covid test. Why should the NHS help you if you won't help them?

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eeyore228 · 02/08/2021 17:47

It happens more than you think. It's really difficult. Particularly placing patients on wards. We have covid and non-covid, these patients make it 1000 times more difficult and often can't give a real reason other than human rights or they don't believe. It Makes life more difficult for staff and higher risk because we don't know their status.

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WhatsNext2021 · 02/08/2021 17:49

@eeyore228. My heart breaks for you all 😢 These people are such selfish idiots and their placing their children at risk. They'd be the first demanding help if they get sick with covid!!!

Thank you so much for all you do xxx
Flowers

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Flaunch · 02/08/2021 17:51

The world is full of complete dickheads unfortunately.

PrincessMaryaBolkonskaya · 02/08/2021 17:52

It happens loads at my quite small Trust. I dunno what people’s reasoning is.

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WhatsNext2021 · 02/08/2021 17:55

I'm surprised the uneducated antivax brigade and covidiots knowledge how to vote on the AIBU 😂 They're the real plague!

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ZealAndArdour · 02/08/2021 17:55

I guess these patients need to be assumed Covid positive until proven otherwise and nursed on the covid side of the ward. Seems the only fair way to protect everyone else who has complied and returned a negative result.

RuggerHug · 02/08/2021 17:55

Christ people are dicks. They'd be the first and loudest ones complaining if their child was denied treatment then(and it's obviously the child that will suffer).

ZealAndArdour · 02/08/2021 17:57

I saw a woman turn up to a blood donation appt last week without a mask, staff asked her to put one on, she refused, they asked if she was exempt, she said “no, I just don’t wear them”, so they said she couldn’t donate and had to leave.

I wonder if she has the same policy for condoms.

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WhatsNext2021 · 02/08/2021 17:57

@ZealAndArdour. Agreed.... If they have a problem with that, take the test!

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olympicsrock · 02/08/2021 17:58

Yep stick them on the covid ward and treat them as presumed positive if they won’t test. That would soon stop this stupidity...

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WhatsNext2021 · 02/08/2021 18:02

The refusal is so fckd up. Those people are that dumb thats they don't realise that if they spread it to the surgeons, doctors, nurses and other staff then as they a result of those NHS employees would at best just have to isolate but then knock on effect is that some people may die because the operating theatres, wards or A&E are just that stretched so mot enough staff to save the every life!!!!

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WhatsNext2021 · 02/08/2021 18:03

You'll have to decipher my erroneously typed text above, sorry! #stupidphone #typingonehanded

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Clocktopus · 02/08/2021 18:03

All other issues aside, it's about their child's safety too. When I had surgery one of the reasons for having a covid test beforehand was because if I did have it and they did the surgery, it carried a much higher risk of complications as well as a far slower recovery. The statistic given to me at the time was that the risk of serious complications (including death) would be up to 50% higher if I had covid.

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WhatsNext2021 · 02/08/2021 18:05

@Clocktopus. It should be a Safeguarding thing shouldn't it. Refusing should really raise eyebrows about that parents ability to look after the welfare of their child.

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Toddlerteaplease · 02/08/2021 18:19

We had a parent phone up before his child's operation, refusing a test. Well then he's not having the operation then!

Intherightplace · 02/08/2021 18:21

Blimey, when DH was isolating ahead of his op, it never occurred to me he had a choice. I thought no negative test no operation.

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WhatsNext2021 · 02/08/2021 18:28

@Intherightplace by isolating, your DH ensured the best outcomes for himself as indicated by @Clocktopus

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itsgettingwierd · 02/08/2021 18:32

Of patients won't consent to test to confirm a negative then they should be placed on a COVID ward.

If won't prove negative than beat to assume they are positive.

That way they don't transmit it to negative people and if they catch it - tough!

(But arrangements do need to be made for people who really can't have one due to needs)

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WhatsNext2021 · 02/08/2021 18:40

@itsgettingwierd. I have no idea how what "needs" in the entire universe mean you can't take a test if you need medical treatment. Heck s needle in your arm to draw blood is worse than a covid test! Hmm

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DiscoDown21 · 02/08/2021 18:45

Yes this happens frequently. It’s also used in bed management so you can cohort patients when negative or positive ( also done with other illnesses not just COVID). Frustrating but you can’t force it on people. Lots believing conspiracy theories about chemicals causing cancer on the swabs too.

FayeFayeFayeFayeFaye · 02/08/2021 19:01

@Toddlerteaplease

We had a parent phone up before his child's operation, refusing a test. Well then he's not having the operation then!
We’ve had this too. Really rude parents shouting down the phone about how it’s their right to refuse the swab. It’s also our right to refuse your child’s operation then.
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WhatsNext2021 · 03/08/2021 08:47

Oh and the stupid father of that child refused to wear a mask to 😠

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AngeloMysterioso · 03/08/2021 09:43

I was with you until “covidiots”. I’ve never encountered anybody using that term who wasn’t an absolute dick.

SexTrainGlue · 03/08/2021 09:48

I think it is really important that 'green' areas of a hospital are kept clean. I know it's never guaranteed, but every effort should be made to minimise risk to people in hospital.

Those who will not test need to be treated in 'red' areas, and all non-emergency procedures need to be re-referred away from 'green' (which might mean further delay, but they'll have to suck that up as consequence of their choice)

Duetorain · 03/08/2021 09:49

Even more difficult for medical teams treating children. An adult (with no SN) can decide for themselves and take the consequences but children may need to be protected from their parents. As with other things I’d Covid positive could significantly affect outcome of necessary surgery presumably would go to court.