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To think Laurel Hubbard should not be competing against women - Part 2

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Belle82 · 02/08/2021 12:56

I am overwhelmed by how much support there has been on this post and that the majority of people agree with the unfairness of this decision, it is good to see the majority being able to have a voice without being silenced.

It breaks my heart that a less fortunate girl who has worked so hard was passed over for a middle aged transgender woman who was 203 in the world when competing against men. Sad

I can’t decide if I want this person to win, to give the argument a better standing on never letting this happen again.
I guess we will find out today…

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SandysMam · 02/08/2021 14:03

Sorry just seem Hubbard was DNF (did not finish). Can anyone catch me up on what happened?

SandysMam · 02/08/2021 14:04

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

nolongersurprised · 02/08/2021 14:04

Should add the Caster (XY chromosomes, 5 alpha reductase deficiency, testosterone high from internal testes) wasn’t banned from the 800m. Caster just didn’t like reducing their testosterone levels and wanted to “run free”. When testosterone was reduced Caster lost

SandysMam · 02/08/2021 14:04

Ignore my last post, I meant seen not seem!

ItsAllBlahBlahBlah · 02/08/2021 14:05

@Ozgirl75 killed me with that 🤣

Whatwouldscullydo · 02/08/2021 14:05

So 4 percent of people still think Its OK that we have mens sports.

And we have mixed sports.

Name one good reason why women can't have their own sports and men amd males get a choice of 2.

That cant seem fair to anyone surely? Not unless you really hate women or think they should all get back in the kitchen and leave the sport to the boys?

Keepemguessing · 02/08/2021 14:05

There would be another where men are excluded, but women both cis and trans can enter.

Transwomen are men and should not be competing against women.

Tuscancat · 02/08/2021 14:09

Why can't the rules just be that anyone with a Y chromosome is eligible for the mens category only. Simple blood test, job done. No tying ourselves in knots over it all. No woman has a Y chromosome.

Amaterasux · 02/08/2021 14:09

@sandysMam she crashed out - common for both sexes for this to happen.

But i am sure it will blamed on all the intense pressure she has been under from transphobic views...

nolongersurprised · 02/08/2021 14:10

Simple blood test, job done

Cheek swab or saliva test, even

jennywhitehorses · 02/08/2021 14:11

@Kittii

This is untrue. Unless you are saying that all the women in sections that include males should just give up their careers and Olympic dreams and not compete?

You can be the fastest in the world and the strongest in the world without having to comply with an Olympic committee or having to wear tiny pants. If you are the fastest then you are the fastest. They can't stop that. If people know you are fast they will pay for you to go to the top.

Dillydollydingdong · 02/08/2021 14:12

Apparently she crashed out of the weightlifting event. I can't say I'm not pleased.

Proudboomer · 02/08/2021 14:13

Stop using the word cis to identify a nan trial born woman. The word woman doesn’t need a prefix.
Woman a human adult female.

goldierocks · 02/08/2021 14:14

There are ongoing discussions about voiding women's track and field results that were set before 2005.

Modern day enhanced drug-testing (including random out-of-competition testing) started in 1989. It focused on performance-enhancing steroids. Experts have said that testosterone levels in women were not checked until 2005, hence the discussion about voiding results set before then.

There is absolutely no doubt in my opinion that European countries behind the communist iron-curtain had state-sponsored doping programmes. The photo shows the women's 800m world record holder. The time was set in 1983. Caster Semenya (DSD athlete) has come closest, but is still almost a second slower.

Long-term use of testosterone (and going through puberty as a male) have a hugely significant impact on muscle development. Biological men do not belong in women's sport.

To think Laurel Hubbard should not be competing against women - Part 2
CasaBonita · 02/08/2021 14:20

It shouldn't be allowed, end of.

Kittii · 02/08/2021 14:25

"You can be the fastest in the world and the strongest in the world without having to comply with an Olympic committee or having to wear tiny pants. If you are the fastest then you are the fastest. They can't stop that. If people know you are fast they will pay for you to go to the top."

Seriously?! That's your argument is it? 🤣

BlowDryRat · 02/08/2021 14:35

There should be two categories for competitions:

  • Open to everyone
  • Open to XX chromosome women and girls only

Everyone gets a fair chance at competing. Women's sports are protected. What's the hardship?

LolaSmiles · 02/08/2021 14:43

Middle-aged, mediocre, male-bodied athlete, twice the age of "her" competitors loses to the best female athletes in the world.

Meanwhile, this white male-bodied person from a rich country like New Zealand pushes out another one of the world's best female athletes from a country with just a fraction of NZ's resources available for women's sport.
This hits the nail on the head.

Would a middle aged, female bodied athlete have ever been in a position to compete in the Olympics? Not a chance.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2021 14:51

There would be another where men are excluded, but women both cis and trans can enter.

Transwomen are men and should not be competing against women.

And there is no such thing as a "cis" woman. We are women, as female people. Males are not. If "cis" just means not trans, then biological females who identify as men are the "trans women". Gender identity ideology presupposes that everyone accepts that males can be women. They are not, and everyone who uses the "cis" term is encouraging the belief that they are, which is harmful to the interests of women and girls as a sex class.

FrippEnos · 02/08/2021 14:57

jennywhitehorses

There is no need for "cis". Woman/women is enough of a descriptor in its own right.

FrippEnos · 02/08/2021 15:02

jennywhitehorses
nobody is forcing cis women to compete against anyone they don't want to.

This is untrue, and it can proved with LH in the Olympics.

Taliskerskye · 02/08/2021 15:08

I’m confused about caster
Is she intersex then

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2021 15:11

Many years ago there was a woman who ran in a men only marathon until she was detected and ejected. She is held up as a feminist hero.

Because she didn't have a competitive advantage Confused I have no problem at all with FTM trans people competing against men, as long as their safety can be assured.

Taliskerskye · 02/08/2021 15:16

Exactly. Ftm is no advantage
So why would it harm the menz - it doesn’t.
Sport isn’t just about that race/ it’s about everything from kindergarten up, funding. Support all of the above.
If we don’t want to see women competing ever again, then let’s carry on as we are

Heyha · 02/08/2021 15:18

@Tuscancat

Why can't the rules just be that anyone with a Y chromosome is eligible for the mens category only. Simple blood test, job done. No tying ourselves in knots over it all. No woman has a Y chromosome.
It'd be very hard to argue against this simple and entirely sensible policy, surely? Those in the Y chromosome category can identify as and wear whichever kit they prefer, so retaining their freedom of expression and choice, and the XX competitors can be confident they are all on a level footing and just get on with it.

There is XXY and XYY to consider but I don't know what impact Kleinefleter's (sp?) Has on sporting ability. I've taught a couple of lads that were XYY and they were masculine and tall which I believe is the way it always presents so there would be no grey area there.