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To wonder if this is too harsh or the way forward? With soon to be ex dh

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twattingtwatface · 01/08/2021 10:43

Separated a few months ago. Main reasons being loveless marriage, absolutely fucking useless with any family admin/didn't put effort into anything, yet seemed to excel in his career which revolves around planning and organising.

Two young dcs, usual cliche of giving up my career, guilted into wanting to put them into nursery. Biggest regret of my life now that I'm on £9 an hour in a job that doesn't interest me. I'm studying and working hard to change this but it still stings.

I'm somehow still the one doing all the admin. Hospital appointments for dcs, school uniform, clothes, shoes, friends, birthday party planning for dc, presents all on me. STILL.

I don't want to fuck up my kids and I want them to see it's a good co parenting relationship so I want the party to be joint with both sides of the family attending but I'm signing myself up for everything by doing this. From the fucking invites to the birthday presents.

Do I just suck it up and do it for my dcs sake?
Do I just organise and take dc to hospital appointments without updating dh as usual. If he was interested he'd book them and take dc.

Just feeling so pissed off with everything after a male colleague gave me unsolicited advice about how I should try and work at the marriage for my children's sake even if I'm not that happy. Hmm

I don't know if it's me but every time it's even something tiny it makes me see red immediately. Just hate him.

OP posts:
twattingtwatface · 01/08/2021 10:46

What I mean is do I just get school uniform for my days and not buy it for his, because I know the week school starts it will be "I forgot to get uniform, dc needs to wear the ones you got and I'll get some soon" etc.

Do I just get presents from me and if he doesn't get anything then it's on him.

I just know dcs will be the ones to miss out but I don't know how else to change it.

Hopefully the shame will kick him up the arse to finally get his shit together?

OP posts:
AmandaHoldensLips · 01/08/2021 10:48

Your reaction is completely normal. It's always the woman who ends up carrying the can and making all the sacrifices and it's totally unfair. Single parenting was the hardest thing I ever did.

I wish I could say something to make you feel better. The only thing I would say is to try and come to terms with your anger as the only person who ends up suffering is you (and your kids). Wishing you lots of luck and hoping you can find support in real life.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 01/08/2021 10:49

I split from exH almost 3 years ago. I took a very hard line from the beginning that I would do everything separately and work on a 'need to know' basis - if he doesn't absolutely need to know what's happening, I don't tell him.

It works really well. I see so many parents try to 'co-parent' after a split, doing joint things etc and it rarely works well. ExH was exactly the same as yours when it came to family admin and organising .I'm not spending the rest of my life continuing to sort all his shit out and involve his family when we aren't even together. And the whole 'do it anyway for the sake of the children' is a massive red herring. I left partly because I didn't want my kids to be exposed to a sexist relationship, In the long run I figure it's better they see me being independent of that, of setting that example, than having uncle Steve at their party. I most certainly am not doing it all yet again and letting exH take the credit or look like he does equal share.

It's not up to ex wives to ensure dads have their shit together. If your ex cares enough he will buck his ideas up and put in an effort for his kids (or, like my ex, he won't and the kids will soon realise, a valuable life lesson).

AmandaHoldensLips · 01/08/2021 10:50

Yes - get presents etc from just you. You are no longer facilitating any part of his life.

However when it comes to the children's needs (uniform etc) then be careful as you don't want your children to suffer because of his uselessness/laziness.

Freddiefox · 01/08/2021 10:51

Yeah I still do all the family admin, but I don’t have the lazy git sat on the sofa watching me.
My ex was useless and lazy with all the above you mention, so no chance he was going to get better when we separated.

I did try not bothering, but the children not having the correct clothes was to stressful for them.

With presents for me my friend takes them and I give her the money.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 01/08/2021 10:51

Do I just get presents from me and if he doesn't get anything then it's on

As harsh as it sounds, no, don't get the presents from him.

If (like my ex) they end up getting £10 spent on them yes it's shit, but it is not up to you to cover the failings of your ex. If you buy the presents you'll be enabling the useless-ness. Some people will do the bare minimum and especially if there's a women willing to make up fo their fuck ups

Freddiefox · 01/08/2021 10:54

But also to add, nothing goes back and forward other than sports kits and school uniform. And if they have a club on his days he has to take them. He hates taking them to start with but I said he had to tell them why he couldn’t be bothered. So he now that’s then.

I don’t buy presents for him from them.

Bellie99 · 01/08/2021 10:55

12 years post divorce and I still have to do the admin. I try as much as possible to let him f**k it up, I can't let him screw the kids over. Examples are that he has the same school letters as I do, the kids send him diary appointments and still he doesn't read them. He doesn't turn up to their concerts or parents evenings or even offer to take the eldest to uni tours etc. The kids now see that he lets them down time after time, but unfortunately they still adore him as he buys them whatever they want. The life stuff like dentists, haircuts and uniforms don't fall into this category! I just keep carrying on and hopefully one day they will appreciate what I have done.
It sucks but it is not the childrens fault he's a dick!

EL8888 · 01/08/2021 10:58

Time to draw a hard line in the sand l think, the sooner the better. Or he may well assume you will keep doing everything

Mintjulia · 01/08/2021 10:59

My ex was like that. He thought the deal was he'd get a housekeeper for life. Couldn't understand when I went back to work and expected him to do half the parenting.

I left. Now I buy all the school uniform, organise everything for ds but don't cover up ex's failures. I don't buy spare birthday cards, I don't lie to ds for him, don't bad mouth him but don't make excuses either. Ds is older now and categorises his dad as 'pretty hopeless'.
Actually it's easier to do it this way. Then I know ds always has what he needs. I don't have to recover situations at the last moment.

Porcupineintherough · 01/08/2021 11:00

Just how lazy is he? If not having uniform / presents for them and having to deal with the fallout of that would jolt him into getting his shit together, then I'd suggest you try that. Hospital appointments I suggest you continue to organize. It is possible that he will shape up at being a dad by being single. I've seen it happen.

titchy · 01/08/2021 11:04

I'd say you need to set your expectations very clearly at the beginning. And bear in mind the effect on the kids. So uniform - if he picks up from school and has them over the weekend they will have uniform to wear on the Monday.

Presents - 'I will be getting x for dd's birthday from me. Suggest you ask her for suggestions from you.'

quizqueen · 01/08/2021 11:23

If he has them half the school week then he needs to provide and wash the uniform for those days or he gives you extra money to cover for it. Tell him that is what he has to do and leave him to it.

Inform the school about his days in charge and tell them to deal with him on those days. If the children have no uniform to attend school, he will have to home school on that day and quickly buy some. It won't happen again or he will give up having the children those days. DO NOT CONTINUE TO DO ADMIN FOR THE PARENT WHO LEFT.

iolaus · 01/08/2021 12:08

Certain things, like hospital appointments, I would say come down to the parent who resides at the address the child is registered with at the doctors - because letters etc will come to you

Presents etc you buy from you not from him, friends birthday parties if it's on a day he has them you give him the invite and let him deal with it (including the reply)

LatentPhase · 01/08/2021 13:06

Oh, OP, I was you. Oh, the anger.

I carried on with all our life admin (me and the dc’s). I felt better for not having. Lazy miserable girl permanently welded to the sofa. Oh my, that was better.

He continued to be an arse, he could just about child mind them. Never so much as bought them a pair of PJ’s or a toothbrush.

I used to work an be on call EoW. That was ‘my break’ from the kids.

I told school to send letters to him about school concerts and parents evenings. He didn’t ever bother really. My eldest said one day ‘does dad love me any more’.

The bit that really stings is that your dc will continue to adore the man. It sucks. You sort of need to know that the tone has been set for who does what for the dc and is unlikely to change.

What really made a difference for me was buddying up with a fellow single parent. All the kids got on well. We could pool resources and collapse on the sofa on a Friday and drink wine. Fellow women are your real saviour.

Now both my girls are 16 and 18 and know they are a credit to me. He played a mere ‘bit part’.

We have frequent conversations about The Patriarchy and how men get away with such piss poor levels of ‘parenting’ (if you can even call it that). They see their friends and their parents splitting up and such similar patheticness. It’s all around.

My 18 year old barely sees her dad despite the fact that he only lives up the road.

Willowtree999 · 01/08/2021 13:18

IME there are certain things that you can't force them to do eg school uniform. If they don't want to buy spares they won't and will likely just send them in dirty uniform. I didn't want that for my kids so bought enough for both.

However, I very much only dealt with him on a 'need to know' basis, forwarded emails from the school as only one parent can be in their mailing list but didn't chase or remind and definitely didn't make sure he had made arrangements for birthday presents.

If he was shit when you were together you definitely aren't going to be able to make him any better apart so best to find a balance between doing what you can to minimise the impact on your DC whilst leaving him to be ultimately tripped up by his own uselessness.

beigebrownblue · 01/08/2021 13:45

I do all this stuff being a single parent divorced eight years ago.

My ex's most horrible trait was to deliberately delay, procrastinate, and ultimately gas light about just about everything.

So when we moved here i just didn't put him down as a contact for the school/clubs etc.

Worked well. More work yes, but I found out to my costs whenever I tried to share anything joint/ all I got was more grief, in that I was exposed to anything he could possibly delay. And so was my DD.

So I didn't do it anymore. Harder in some ways, but easier in others, in that I am an organised person, I realise how important this is for wellbeing of myself and my daughter. I believe it is a fundamental part of good parenting.

Sounds like your ex is like mine. Really it is all about control on their part, which is quite frankly beyond pathetic and just shows they are not able to work in a family team.

Kanaloa · 01/08/2021 14:00

I definitely wouldn’t be buying gifts from him, that’s his responsibility. I would contact him a few weeks before school and set out clearly that dc’s need xyz school uniform and he will need to purchase this for when they are with him.

Other than that I wouldn’t do a thing for him. If your kids are left without a present from their dad that’s sad but it’s his issue and not yours. You aren’t his Secretary/personal assistant.

Peace43 · 01/08/2021 14:06

I get my end of stuff and if DH let’s his end fall that’s on him. My only exception is clothes. I make sure she has clothes that fit at his house too. So I buy her birthday and Xmas gifts from me and Santa. If he forgets that’s on him. I don’t deal with his family at all except sending them a Xmas card from me. I help DD buy Fathers Day and Birthday gifts for her Dad but not for anymore of his family. I do all of DDs doctors, opticians, audiology appointments etc.. I expect nothing from him and am therefore not disappointed. I’d recommend developing a think skin.

5togo · 01/08/2021 14:21

I do everything and don’t involve exh at all in appointments/school info etc.

He didn’t see the children for several years and now sees them once a week which is better than nothing so although I don’t approve of his lack of effort, the dc would rather see him than not. I send them with everything they need.

I know some posters on here share 50:50 with the other parent (don’t know anyone in real life with that arrangement) but that would never have worked in our case as he is too neglectful and the dc would suffer.

user16395699 · 01/08/2021 14:26

@twattingtwatface

What I mean is do I just get school uniform for my days and not buy it for his, because I know the week school starts it will be "I forgot to get uniform, dc needs to wear the ones you got and I'll get some soon" etc.

Do I just get presents from me and if he doesn't get anything then it's on him.

I just know dcs will be the ones to miss out but I don't know how else to change it.

Hopefully the shame will kick him up the arse to finally get his shit together?

I think you draw the line by doing what is needed to meet the DCs' needs and meeting the shortfall of they will be unsafe/neglected otherwise without compensating for him to the extent that you're trying to conceal that he's a shit dad, but not doing things to spite him.

If the DC are to have a healthy relationship with him that has to come from him, you can't orchestrate it. They need you not to minimise or normalise shitty behaviour from him so that they understand it is not ok and don't accept being treated badly by others or repeat the behaviour themselves.

This may mean they experience sadness and hurt. You protect them by supporting them through it and helping them build positive self-esteem by understanding that dad's behaviour is not their fault.

Whilst I understand the urge to "protect" them by minimising ( "oh daddy didn't really mean ") or covering up for him, doing that leaves them unprotected and means they can't protect themselves from shitty behaviour and may build him up as a superhero who's being kept from them by you (rather than the reality of being able to understand he's a lazy rock and it's not ok to treat people like that and no reflection on them).

Providing clear age appropriate information when somebody treats them poorly - so that they understand it's not ok to behave like that, they don't deserve it, and it's not their fault - is not the same as "badmouthing" someone. Badmouthing would be if you vented to them about what a duck he is and how much you hate him when he's pissing you off.

Explaining that it was wrong of daddy not to send a birthday card, it's not a nice way to behave and it's not their fault - that's necessary to protect and support them, not badmouthing. His discomfort about the truth of his poor behaviour still doesn't make it badmouthing.

So you make sure they're fed and clean if he's not capable of doing that, but you don't buy birthday presents for them from him (but do provide emotional support and age appropriate information if he doesn't).

School uniform - you get what they need for start of term and for their base with you. You make sure he has the information on what they need, by the school having his contact details to send information directly instead of via you (once). You answer questions on sizes and things If he asks.

You do not pre-empt his failure by buying extras for him in advance (unless he asks and you agree), you do not chase him or act as his PA, you do not act as the relay for school info he receives directly. If/when he fails, then you step up to ensure their needs are safely met and they understand it was wrong but is not their fault, etc.

Birthday parties - you arrange a birthday party, send invites, make sure he has the opportunity to be involved if he chooses and make sure he knows when it is (and you don't deliberately plan it when he couldn't attend).

But you do not chase him to do things, you do not pick him up and drag him to attend, you do not buy presents from him.

Hospital appointments - you make sure they're arranged and they attend, and you make him aware they're happening (even though it's irritating that he doesn't care).

You do not chase him to engage with what's happening, try and force him to attend, collect him to bring him, or put the children in a position where they miss appointments because of him.

If they get upset about his disinterest, again you provide honest age appropriate information so that they understand dad's behaviour is not ok but it's not their fault or because they've done something wrong or are unloveable.

That's where the line is.

You will have to do more than if you were in an equal partnership, but you don't try to do things for him to conceal his shittiness or do things to score points because you're (understandably) frustrated.

Experiencing sadness and distress are normal parts of life that you can't and shouldn't try to shield children from if they are to live healthy lives with good coping skills - sadness and disappointment are not damaging to a child when they are supported to cope with the feelings and given clear information to make sense of it. That should be your focus.

In the absence of information, children understand the world very simply as "a bad thing has happened, I must have caused it, so I must be a bad person". That is how children and up with negative self-esteem in these situations if one parent is shut and the other minimises instead of being honest. If dad disappoints them and you say "oh daddy doesn't mean it" or "oh daddy doesn't realise this would upset you" it makes them feel it's their fault for being upset and that they're useless/broken, if mum says it's normal and they are wrong to be upset. Iyswim?

That's why it is so important to very clearly and consistently explain each time he does something to let them down or hurt them that his behaviour was wrong and that it was not their fault. You can't conceal it from them but you can protect them with this approach.

They need to hear that from you.

Hope that makes some sense!

user16395699 · 01/08/2021 14:30

*what a dick he is

Not what a duck, obviously. Grin

user16395699 · 01/08/2021 14:34

@5togo

I do everything and don’t involve exh at all in appointments/school info etc.

He didn’t see the children for several years and now sees them once a week which is better than nothing so although I don’t approve of his lack of effort, the dc would rather see him than not. I send them with everything they need.

I know some posters on here share 50:50 with the other parent (don’t know anyone in real life with that arrangement) but that would never have worked in our case as he is too neglectful and the dc would suffer.

Yes, exactly. 50:50 only works if both parents are engaged, etc.

Just like you can't "save" a marriage/relationship on your own with an unwilling partner who has no interest in changing their behaviour or taking responsibility for their role, you also can't co-parent 50:50 with an unwilling parent who has no interest in changing their behaviour or taking responsibility for their role.

Your work colleague was talking patriarchal nonsense, ignore him.

Tinkerbellfluffyboots79 · 01/08/2021 14:37

That’s such a shame op, my eldest kids dad was great, paid maintenance, came over to see them, they went there etc was a great dad. Then he met his now wife who was little more than a teenager when they met. And my now it’s like my kids don’t exist. He pays nothing, he won’t communicate with me or provide for the boy’s at all. Recent example our 16 year olds birthday. Rather than asking him what he’d like he gets 2 t shirts he’d never wear and £30 and shouted at for asking if he could swap them. Not a cake made or balloon. He really had a shit time. His younger brother and sister are spoilt rotten the made cake balloons etc etc his dad won’t even buy him shoes unless they come from primark. He doesn’t want primark shoes he won’t even pay a small amount towards shoes or clothes or school uniform. Horrible!!

Younger 2 - diff dad. Totally opposite. I deal with youngest hospital/camhs stuff for continuity but otherwise we get on good, split everything and no issues at all! He’s incredibly reasonable makes life less stressful - just as well as I have to pay for everything for older son - eldest is an adult now.

ThinWomansBrain · 01/08/2021 14:48

if he was crap at picking up his share of parenting before the split, it seems unrealistic to assume that this will improve when he is single.