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AIBU First major parenting disagreement with DH

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JeffVaderneedsatray · 26/07/2021 07:54

We have 2 DCs. DS is 16 and DD is 13.
I'm really lucky that this is the first time we have had a major disagreement about our DCs but it has really upskittled me - largely because I can see how it could pan out over the years.

DD is 13. She has an ASC and ADD. She has recently been growing in confidence and becoming a great deal more independent. Her little group of friends at school are lovely. Over the past couple of weeks she has been asking to meet them out of school at the park and I have been saying yes. She has a phone and is very sensible. Her first couple of trips have gone well.
On Friday she went to meet a friend and was a bit late home. Her arrival time was pushed back a couple of times - she let me know and kept in contact - and when she told em she was on the way home it took her twice as long to get home as I expected. DH was really worried when she was 5 minutes late! Once she was home we talked about expectations.

Yesterday she asked to go into town today with a friend. I am happy to let her - she understands that Friday can't happen again - I accept some blame for Friday because I wasn't clear about a time to be home and she accepts she needs to set off when she says etc. DH, however, seems to have been possessed by the spirit of some victorian father and thinks she shouldn't go. He did agree but was so fierce about her not being late that she got into a spiral of anxiety over being late that she now doesn't want to go.
I have spoken to DH about how anxious he's made her but he can't see why it's a problem.

For context my early teens were a lot more 'free range' than his. I lived miles from school so if I came home alone it involved a bus into a major city and then a train out. I was often out all day with friends riding or walking or biking. I am ancient so there were no mobile phones. I said roughly when I would be home and my mum didn't stress unless I was over an hour late because she factored delays in etc. Because of this if she said she didn't want to me to do something I knew there was a good reason. DH disapproves of my childhood - thinks it was borderline neglectful as I quite frequently was alone at night until about 11pm as my mum played in concerts.

I want DD to grow up feeling trusted. I want her to tell us where she is going and with whom. I want her to be honest and to be able to call if things go tits up and know we will get her no matter what. I can see why DH doesn't want her to go into town - he is over protective with both of them - but I just feel his approach will lead to her hiding what she is doing and I worry that it will lead to her not feeling like she can ask for help if outings etc go wrong in the future.

I cannot get DH to see that his dictatorial approach is counterproductive.

I may be catastrophying - I have form - but I didn't sleep well last night worrying about it and I woke up early today still stressing.

Gah. Apologies for the ramble.

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Beamur · 26/07/2021 08:01

She's at High School? So used to a degree of autonomy and independent travel?
I think your DH is being unreasonable and not letting your DD learn a valuable lesson - which is sometimes we learn by mistakes and how not to make them again. Provoking her to anxiety is also quite manipulative.
Ask him what he thinks he will achieve for your DD by this approach?

JeffVaderneedsatray · 26/07/2021 08:15

I don't think he's provoking her anxiety on purpose. He sees it as 'She's anxious about being late - good, it means she won't be'
Whereas its actually 'I might be late and Dad will be cross and then he'll never let me go out again and then I'll lose all my friends so I won't go'

He's not up yet - on holiday from work - so once he gets up I shall try once again to get him to back off and to see how this could all pan out.

Ordinarily I'd step in and juggle the getting home arrangements - collect her from town or from her friend's house - but I've broken my ankle and am banned from driving. I'm going to suggest he collects her from her friends house instead.

I should add that neither DH or I are NT......... there's a great deal of rigidity of thought going on in his brain! Normally I can work with that but last night I was in a 'what if' spiral.

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ittakes2 · 26/07/2021 08:27

I think it matters what going into town means. There is a two towns near us - one I would be OK with my children going to the other no way! Have you put find my phone on your phones? I track my teens that way.

Karwomannghia · 26/07/2021 08:32

She wasn’t deliberately late and she sounds like she wants to do the right thing so I don’t understand what his problem is. Has he never been late? Is he worried this is the start of disobedience? Instead of being rigid about time home maybe he can work out her route home and she has to be absolutely sure of being at the bus stop in good time?

Beamur · 26/07/2021 08:34

I think your suggestion of her traveling with a friend and being picked up is a reasonable compromise.

JeffVaderneedsatray · 26/07/2021 08:34

She want to go into our town in the afternoon to go to shops like Flying Tiger and Paperchase and oooh and aaah about stationery and other weird stuff. They might get an icecream.

Her phone is ancient. It's my old one and it was ancient when I had it!
Its a reasonably quiet town during the day. Her friends are sensible, they are being dropped off and collected by one of the dads.

I have a bit of an issue with 'tracking' her - I admit I am probably a bit strange about that but DH used ask to track me when I was training for long distance stuff. I understood his reasoning but it made me feel a bit strange..... Plus her phone isn't capable of it.

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Karwomannghia · 26/07/2021 08:34

Also what was the arrival time before? Sounds like it might have been very early?

Karwomannghia · 26/07/2021 08:37

He needs to keep his grounded card in his pocket for proper bad behaviour. I’m very flexible with my teens and rarely say no BUT they haven’t done anything dangerous like drinking or smoking.

JeffVaderneedsatray · 26/07/2021 08:39

@Karwomannghia

She wasn’t deliberately late and she sounds like she wants to do the right thing so I don’t understand what his problem is. Has he never been late? Is he worried this is the start of disobedience? Instead of being rigid about time home maybe he can work out her route home and she has to be absolutely sure of being at the bus stop in good time?
One of things he said last night was that he remembers himself as a teenager.

BUT he had a really rigid upbringing - strict curfews, never really allowed to be out alone unless an organised thing etc and so, as soon as there was freedom he pushed it.
I'm trying to avoid that.......
I never broke a curfew because of the way it was handled by my mum. I want that for DD. My mum used to ask what time I'd be home. I'd give a time and if she felt it was too late she'd say so and ask me to be earlier. I always was because I felt respected. I was never grounded unlike a lot of my friends who had strict curfews.

I don't understand what his problem is either!

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DecorChange · 26/07/2021 08:44

My dad was beyond strict about being late. Once I was 3 minutes late and was grounded for 3 days a day for each minute. Now as an adult I'm always early everywhere and panic if it even looks like it late. Obviously yous arnt going that far. But I agree get a find my phone app so yous can check on her if she is late.

Meatshake · 26/07/2021 08:46

Poor thing, she did everything right (staying in touch, keeping you updated) and is being punished for it.

The next time it'll be "me and Kayleigh are staying round hers, can I have a fiver and see you tomorrow", and they'll be out for the evening with no boundaries.

JeffVaderneedsatray · 26/07/2021 08:48

@Karwomannghia

Also what was the arrival time before? Sounds like it might have been very early?
Basically on Friday she asked to go and drop off a present for a friend who is moving countries. I said yes. Then another friend said if she was over that way why didn't they go to the park. Initially she left at 1.00 and was planning to be home by 2.00pm. I pointed out this gave her about 5 minutes in the park and suggested she stay longer. I gave her some money for ice cream for both of them. Once she got to the park she messaged and said could she stay until 4.00pm I said yes. Then she messaged again to ask if she could leave the park at 4.50. At 4.50 she messaged to say she was leaving. Its a 20 minute walk home. By 5.30 she wasn't home so I got a bit worried. She got in at 5.40. Basically she'd messaged to say she was on her way before she'd actually left because she ad her friend talked at her friend's door.

We had a long chat about coming home when you say you are. I accepted I should have been clearer with her about a time to come home - her ASC means direct communication is needed- and she accepted she should have left when she said.

Arrival time needed to be early as she had a dance class and there is a performance coming up that she is a vital part of!

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JeffVaderneedsatray · 26/07/2021 08:52

@Meatshake

Poor thing, she did everything right (staying in touch, keeping you updated) and is being punished for it.

The next time it'll be "me and Kayleigh are staying round hers, can I have a fiver and see you tomorrow", and they'll be out for the evening with no boundaries.

EXACTLY my worry. I want her to have today as a chance to show us all that it will work. And bless her it was originally that she was going to C's house but then C wanted to go into town. I've said to DH that she's been honest about the change of plan when she could have kept quiet.
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Karwomannghia · 26/07/2021 08:54

So assuming she didn’t miss her dance lesson, the adherence to timings wasn’t actually linked to anything apart from rigidity. These arbitrary curfews need to go. Sure she needs to be back by x time for her lesson. If she’s late for that she’ll get told by the teacher (speaking from experience of my last minute ds) and she sounds like she’s keen to do the right thing.
Your dh is the perfect example of why not to be too rigid! Hopefully he’ll see that.

DysmalRadius · 26/07/2021 08:56

She sounds super sensible and responsible - moreso than I was at her age! Did either of you try to call her when she was late? Because it sounds like she did leave the park when she said but was scuppered when it came to having a quick chat with her friend, which she probably didn't predict or keep track of. I do the same all the time, and I am 41... Blush

knittingaddict · 26/07/2021 08:58

He's trying to control his anxiety by controlling her behaviour. It never works well. I understand how he feels, but he needs to deal with his own feelings himself and try not to involve your daughter in making him feel better.

My lasting memories of my children's teenage years are stress and worry over where they were at 1am. Oh, the sleepless nights. Sometimes I let that worry get the better of me and those were not my finest hour as a parent. Blush

I was much better when my children communicated that they would be late back from somewhere and that's what I would empathise.

NerdyBird · 26/07/2021 09:02

Would setting reminders on her phone help in this instance? So hopefully she won't be anxious about going if she knows she'll get an alert or two e.g one ten mins before leaving time, one 5 mins etc?

hennybeans · 26/07/2021 09:05

I agree with your approach, op. It's important for teenagers to have some freedom and independence and be responsible for themselves. 13 is a good age to meet with friends in town or go to the park and practice getting home on time and managing yourself. There will be a few blips as she learns not to say she's on her way when she still talking, etc. But she'll figure it out if she's given the chance.

Otherwise, she'll get to 18 and how will she function living away at university or working? And how will your DH cope if she goes out for the first time and it's to a bar, not the park for ice cream?

I think it would be ok to track your daughter on find my phone ( assuming she had an upgrade) once she was running late. That might help your DH control his anxiety if he could see she's halfway home, on her way, and then he wouldn't inflict his issues on her. I wouldn't agree with an adult being tracked by their partner though.

StrongLegs · 26/07/2021 09:15

It sounds to me as though your DH maybe worrying that this is the beginning of a slippery slope towards your DD having the kind of freedom that you had. Maybe it would be good just to reassure him that that is not where you are heading with her.

UndertheCedartree · 26/07/2021 09:18

I think your approach is absolutely spot on. Your DH really needs to think about what he's doing and why.

Ladyrattles · 26/07/2021 09:25

My teens give updates by text or ring if they are going to be late, or going somewhere else and that makes us trust them completely. Your DD sounds the same, and I think that is wonderful. I agree that you need to give kids some trust or they'll end up not telling you things or where they are. We used to tell our kids to call us if they need a lift, as we didn't like them walking alone.

Katiebee008 · 26/07/2021 09:28

I think your H is being very unreasonable and what happened on Friday is a non-event. Your daughter was out with a friend in the middle of the day and in touch with you throughout, the only thing she did that wasn't brilliant was say she was on her way when she wasn't - she could have text you halfway home to say it was taking longer than expected but if that's the first time it's ever happened she probably wasn't aware you were worried.

Her asking to go out again should just be met with "yeah sure, remember to let me know when you're actually on your way so I know when to expect you, need you home by X time".

JeffVaderneedsatray · 26/07/2021 09:31

@DysmalRadius

She sounds super sensible and responsible - moreso than I was at her age! Did either of you try to call her when she was late? Because it sounds like she did leave the park when she said but was scuppered when it came to having a quick chat with her friend, which she probably didn't predict or keep track of. I do the same all the time, and I am 41... Blush
I tried to ring her but her phone was in her packpack and she didn't hear it. We have agreed that when coming home she will have her phone in her pocket from now on.

There may have been a breakthrough...... he has just said he is ok with her going and that if traffic is bad she is to let us know straight away that she might be late!

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Foolsrule · 26/07/2021 09:34

The whole thing sounds like a mountain made out of a molehill! Blimey, poor kid!

JeffVaderneedsatray · 26/07/2021 09:36

@StrongLegs

It sounds to me as though your DH maybe worrying that this is the beginning of a slippery slope towards your DD having the kind of freedom that you had. Maybe it would be good just to reassure him that that is not where you are heading with her.
That's a good idea for the future.

(I find it hard that he has such a problem with my freedoms because I don't see a problem with them, not even the being left at night although I wouldn't leave DD and DS at night. There was a lot about my childhood that was shit but the freedom to roam etc wasn't one of them!)

I think there's a middle ground between my upbringing and his and we need to find it.

Thank you everybody for your thoughts and advice. It's nice to find I'm not unreasonable to think 13, nearly 14, is thr right time for some freedom.
We didn't have all this with DS because he had no desire for a social life!

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