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It was child abuse wasn’t it?

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Nc4post99 · 25/07/2021 23:16

NC for this post.

I have a poor relationship with my mother. I’m pretty sure she abused me as a teen, emotionally and physically, i think there was neglect too.
I really could use a second opinion here, am I crazy? Being gaslit? Is what happened actually child abuse? It sounds silly but I dont know anymore. I’m waiting for some counselling to talk all this through and why despite everything I still feel horribly guilty at the thought of going NC with her.

We have limited contact but she expects a lot more and the fact that I can’t give this means I’m the worst person in the world. The reason I feel like I can’t is because of our past, and the fact there is 0 accountability from her for the hurt and pain she caused.

So the backstory: I’m pregnant with dc 2 about 6 months and I have a toddler and there is some important financial and legal paper work (entirely hers not mine) that she wants me to do for her. I’ve not background in these fields so it’s not that I will be lending my expertise, so I asked her why she wants me to do it for her and she says because it’s too stressful and she gets overwhelmed and then she blew up at me. She said how I do nothing for her, and how she tries and tries and how nothing she does is good enough. I told her I’m trying my best but it’s hard, as she abused me as a teen. She laughed in my face. It took me a long time, nearly 15 years to realise this was abuse and I didn’t deserve it. She said because I used to have tantrums and create a scene and run away sometimes on days out (I was primary school age when I did this, about 6, and I get it must have been really scary for my parents and I don’t know what I was thinking, I hardly remember) but because I did those things I deserved it because I was so difficult, it was morally justifiable. I said to her well, all of this happened not at the time but 6+ years later and if this was reported to the police now you’d be in trouble for child abuse. She said well yes now I would, but then it wasn’t child abuse, so it’s fine. But surely if it’s abuse now, it was abuse then? Even if the law and safeguarding was lacking?

(Some of the things that happened to me as a teen (12+ ) for context, verbally- she’d wish me dead often, wish I’d get cancer, wish that she terminated her pregnancy with me, accused me of killing her parents (one had a heart attack and I was asleep 50+ miles away when he died and the other cancer), I was perpetually called a disappointment and compared to my peers as to how much of a failure I was. I was regularly taunted about my weight (from primary school age) and appearance and how ugly I was. I used to go to sleep at night and pray to god that i could die in my sleep so I’d didn’t have to live like it anymore, one day she heard me and then relentlessly taunted me about being crazy, there was this song from the 60s funny farm and she’d play that and sing that. Physically the best thing I could describe would happen would be she’d fly at me in fits of rage kicking, screaming and striking me with the heels of her hands (not clenched fists) the first few times I used to fight back but it only made it go on for longer so I then used to drop to a ball and cover my head. she’d also pulled me downstairs by my hair at times, locked me outside naked in a towel in February, and scratched me to the extent I have scars 15 years later. I had anorexia and depression as a teen and no treatment was ever sought. She also accused me of having an incestuous relationship with my father when he was alive, which was unfounded and disgusting and denigrated his memory)

I also wasn’t a perfect child, I know I was challenging. Eating disorders are tough and I was lost in it for a long time. I used to challenge her opinions on things too, specifically homophobia and she hated that.

God I hope that made sense. Thanks for anyone who’s read and I do appreciate your thoughts and comments xx

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JustLyra · 25/07/2021 23:45

It was abuse. 100%.
Kicking, pulling down the stairs and scratching you to the point you have scarring has always been abuse - always.

I had an abusive childhood and when I became a parent is when I struggled with my background the most. I'd always, without realising, assumed I'd understand my parents more when I had children whereas in fact I was beyond baffled and struggled with the realisation.

Good counselling will really, really help.

SezziBaybee · 25/07/2021 23:46

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ScrambledSmegs · 25/07/2021 23:46

Yes it was abuse. And it's not masochism, it's FOG - Fear, Obligation, Guilt. Classic response of the abused child to the toxic parent. You've even excused her behaviour on your eating disorder when in all likelihood she was a strong trigger for it. Have you spoken to a counsellor?

Btw If you can reframe NC in your head as protecting your children from an abusive relative that might help make the final break for freedom.

ScrambledSmegs · 25/07/2021 23:47

Sorry X-post. I hope you can get an appointment soon.

ShitPoetryClub · 25/07/2021 23:49

Flowers Blimey that's pretty horrific.
You owe her nothing. Please keep her away from your babies.

Blindleadingtheblind · 25/07/2021 23:49

Oh my word! Absolutely awful and yes, 100% abusive. Almost crying for you here OP 🥺 I cannot imagine treating my children in this manner nor my parents treating me like this.

I'm so sorry this happened to you? How old are you? Surely the law would class this as child abuse even if it was years ago.

ladycarlotta · 25/07/2021 23:50

Even at the time that was not normal behaviour? There is a huge difference between an otherwise loving parent using physical punishment because they genuinely believed it was for their child's own good, and what your mother did and said to you. I think if people around you at the time had been willing or able to see the extent of what she did to you, they would have been horrified.

I mean in theory you could still press charges about this. I doubt you would want to put yourself through that, but she's an idiot if she thinks that she's safe because it was a "different time". It's been demonstrated that historic abuse cases CAN be successfully prosecuted.

Huge huge props to you, OP, for doing it differently with your own children. You are amazing. Please don't ever imagine that what your mother did was in any way your fault - like others have said, the parents are the ones more capable of moderating their response and deciding how to manage a situation: this is never ever the responsibility of a child. You are now in control of how you conduct yourself, how you care for yourself, and what kind of life you give your own children. Just embrace that.

DelphiniumBlue · 25/07/2021 23:52

It was abuse, and it would have been considered abuse then.
I'm so sorry you had to go through that, she sounds unhinged, but also cruel and nasty. Her mental health issues don't mean that she wasn't responsible for her horrible treatment of you.
You must know that nothing you did could have warranted this sort of treatment. It's not your fault. You may have run off or had tantrums as a child - that is normal, but even if you were the worst behaved child ever, there is still no excuse for treating you so unkindly, or for physically assaulting you.
You might be better off cutting contact. You don't have to explain it to her, or ask her permission. She doesn't have to agree with your decision.
See a counsellor, and then do what works for you.

Ormally · 25/07/2021 23:52

Yes, it was child abuse.

The sentence you wrote, "locked me outside naked in a towel in February", reminded me very much of a harrowing piece in The Rumpus advice column, 'Dear Sugar', the entry 44, 'How you get unstuck'. I won't link it as it is a very hard read on many levels but unforgettable for all that if you do want to search. This was written by a woman whose professional hours, in a school, were spent with abused girls talking in the "horrible story chair". Despite many structures existing to define and technically stop abuse, there wasn't a lot of effective help apart from words.

'Sugar' the agony aunt writes: "I told her that escaping the shit would be hard, but that if she wanted to not make her mother’s life her destiny, she had to be the one to make it happen. She had to do more than hold on. She had to reach. She had to want it more than she’d ever wanted anything. She had to grab like a drowning girl for every good thing that came her way and she had to swim like fuck away from every bad thing. She had to count the years and let them roll by, to grow up and then run as far as she could in the direction of her best and happiest dreams across the bridge that was built by her own desire to heal."

The mother-child bond is a powerful one, but this is your signpost.

ladycarlotta · 25/07/2021 23:52

*sorry, I should clarify, I don't think that any kind of corporal punishment was OK per se. But there's punishment in line with the received wisdom of the time and there's out and out cruelty.

Lalliella · 25/07/2021 23:55

That’s awful OP. Absolutely definitely abuse, no doubt about it. She’d be in jail if she did that now. You really really did not at all deserve any of it, please don’t think for one second that you did. I think you should cut her out of your life to be honest, she’s evil and toxic. I think you would heal better if she didn’t have the opportunity to still get to you. I’m so sorry this happened to you Flowers

justasking111 · 26/07/2021 00:00

This wasn't normal even back in the day. You could still go to a solicitor and press charges.

Where was your father in all this?

Summerfun54321 · 26/07/2021 00:00

I was a very difficult teenager but my parents never did any of those things. You definitely didn’t do anything to deserve any of that. I’m so sorry you experienced that Flowers

OhWhyNot · 26/07/2021 00:02

Sorry op your mother is abusive x

I found when I had ds so many feeling came up about my abusive childhood.

Be kind to yourself you deserved to be loved, cherished, cared for and nurtured this didn’t happen. Therapy won’t always be easy but it’s time for you to let got off some of the hurt

I certainly feel different towards my mother now never ever would I feel all those negative feelings she has for me

Nc4post99 · 26/07/2021 00:02

@justasking111

This wasn't normal even back in the day. You could still go to a solicitor and press charges.

Where was your father in all this?

Worked abroad providing for us after a sudden job loss (when he was at home he was a big earner so they had big expenses and a big house etc) he then passed away. I miss him.
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Nc4post99 · 26/07/2021 00:06

@Blindleadingtheblind

Oh my word! Absolutely awful and yes, 100% abusive. Almost crying for you here OP 🥺 I cannot imagine treating my children in this manner nor my parents treating me like this.

I'm so sorry this happened to you? How old are you? Surely the law would class this as child abuse even if it was years ago.

Mid 30s, so not sure what was what then, I didn’t even start to realise I wasn’t the worlds most awful child and that it was wrong until really recently. Bit silly when I read it back, I knew how it made me feel but I figured I deserved all of it or I must be exaggerating as she used to buy me things and I had nice clothes and x mas presents.
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Dragongirl10 · 26/07/2021 00:08

100% abuse of the worst kind........l am so sorry you were subjected to that as a child..
Please do not doubt the horrible unjustified trauma she inflicted on you when you were completely innocent..the running away was completely understandable.
I hope you get the help you need to break free of her and go on to live a happy life without her.

GreenTeaPingPong · 26/07/2021 00:10

NONE of what you describe was in any way your fault. You were a child, who deserved to be loved and cherished, not denigrated and abused.

Please distance yourself from her. Flowers

me4real · 26/07/2021 00:13

You didn't make her life hard by haviing an eating disorder- she abused you and it led to or contributed to you developing an eating disorder. Sad Flowers

I would suggest going no/low contact OP. Contact with her is bad for your well being and might even make you ill.

You don't owe her anything.

It's very rare that people admit/agree they were abusive or even that anything particlarly bad happened in the family home unfortunately. Sad

Blindleadingtheblind · 26/07/2021 00:14

OP, I'm mid 30s too so if this happened at the end of the 90s/early 00s then yes, the law would definitely class this as abuse. If any of my high school friends had told me anything like this was happening to them I would make them report it to the police and social services. You poor love. No child should have to grow up with this thinking it was their fault or that it was normal. My heart aches for you.

Please consider going NC. And do use counselling services. Keep that woman away from you. No amount of presents and clothes etc makes up for the lack of care you received Flowers

me4real · 26/07/2021 00:18

I was born in 77. Most of us maybe got a slap if we were naughty (even that isn't ok of course) but nothing like this.

justasking111 · 26/07/2021 00:19

My story is not as bad as yours. I was fifty before I stood up to my mother, siblings had done it many years before. I went no contact blocked her on the phone, threatened the police if she came near the house.

She tried to use friends to intercede, lying about her health, I'm dying, going blind, going to kill myself. Then told anyone who would listen that I was a bad daughter.

I stood firm and have had a decade of near perfect peace

PrettyLittleFlies · 26/07/2021 00:20

Awful abuse 😔

I'm sorry you endured that. Your mother will never acknowledge it though.

Mixmeup · 26/07/2021 00:21

It was (terrible) abuse and I'm so sorry.

I know NC is hard, even in the most deserving of circumstances. Try low contact for a while. You may well find that you feel much, much better when you've put her to the edge of your life. And then it may be that you decide to take that final step and cut the contact, or you may find that low contact is enough for you to feel ok and get on with your life without her.