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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not allow this dog around my toddler?

49 replies

notadoglover · 25/07/2021 19:28

Anyone who knows me will recognise me from this post, but never mind.

Early disclaimer: I'm quite ambivalent about dogs in general. I also think a lot of people can be reckless when it comes to dogs around children (and vice versa), so that's my starting position here.

My parents have just "rescued" an approx 2yo dog from Eastern Europe (an entirely different issue, I won't start on that). The dog is a mixed breed, but massive. The height of a large german shepherd, but with a huge head and paws - she's clearly going to get bigger. Vet says she is around 15kg underweight, so she'll weigh over 50kg when up to ideal weight and condition. I have met this dog once and she was boisterous with bad manners (pushy and a bit mouthy).

My parents have owned a dog before but they are not experienced with large or challenging dogs. I think they're being exceptionally naive about the amount of input and maintenance this dog will require to ensure she is well trained and has good manners. I also do not believe they're genuinely prepared to make the sort of concessions I believe large dog breeds require (changes to their home and garden, a larger car, fewer options for backup dog care). They're in their early 60s and not physically strong, and I cannot possibly see how owning a 50kg, young dog is sustainable as they get older.

Initially, they acknowledged that the dog was unsuitable for them and were committed to finding her a new home. However, they seem to have totally fallen for her personality and now seem to be set on keeping her. Fine; they're adults, it's not my decision.

However, here's the crux: my two year old goes there once or twice a week while I work. This obviously is a huge help to me, but the arrangement is in large part to facilitate a relationship between my daughter and her GPs. Those days are really precious to them, and I'm loathe to put a stop to them. But I do NOT want this dog around my daughter, and I can't see that changing anytime soon. I dont trust them to supervise both appropriately, or to be consistent with this dog's training. It'll be a long time before I'd feel remotely comfortable leaving her there for the day with that dog, even if my parents insist they are kept separate. A large part of the problem is that I don't trust my parents to respect my boundaries on this, and I can well imagine them saying "the dog's fine, we can let them in together".

Worth noting that we are expecting another baby, so we've got another five years of having toddlers and very young children around.

My position on this is "if you keep the dog, I want her out of the house when our daughter visits or she isn't coming. The only people who I feel comfortable supervising the dog and the toddler are myself and my partner"

Other family members are making me feel terrible for drawing this "it's us or the dog" line, and I'm not sure I really care about their opinions on this. But for arguments sake, AIBU?

OP posts:
Soubriquet · 25/07/2021 19:31

So your problem is, the dog is big?

The dog as far as you have posted has shown no sign of aggression or anything like that. You just don’t like the dog

GreenCrayon · 25/07/2021 19:33

Whilst it's totally up to you whether to send her there or not you cannot reasonably ask them to keep the dog out of the house whilst she is there, where on earth are you expecting the dog to go?

Looks like you need to find paid childcare for whilst you're working and she can still develop a relationship with her grandparents with you supervising on weekends and holidays.

FionnulaTheCooler · 25/07/2021 19:34

YANBU. Large, poorly trained dogs and toddlers are not a good combination. I would also share your reservations about your parents saying they will keep them separate and then not sticking to it, I can't see them leaving the dog shut up in one room or out in the garden all day.

nimbuscloud · 25/07/2021 19:35

If you don’t trust your parents to supervise the dog and your child then your only choice is to be there when your child is there.
And I don’t blame you - I would feel exactly as you do.

DocsOddSocks · 25/07/2021 19:36

YABU. If anything, the dog will probably be worse if he's pushed out because of your child visiting.

notadoglover · 25/07/2021 19:38

@Soubriquet I guess that's a simplification, but yes, the dog's size is a significant part of my issue. Not because I dislike big dogs, but because I do not trust my parents to train or handle a very large dog so as to make it safe or trustworthy around young children.

As with so many dog-related problems, the issue isn't really the dog. I'm sure the dog is very sweet and, honestly, I think she would much happier in a more appropriate home. My problem is with the owners, who just happen to be my parents. It's entirely possible I would be saying the same thing if the dog they had rescued was the size of a spaniel.

OP posts:
notadoglover · 25/07/2021 19:39

@GreenCrayon I totally agree with you, and that's what I will do if they decide to keep the dog. I just know that it'll upset my parents and cause an argument if I say no to unsupervised visits!

OP posts:
AliceW89 · 25/07/2021 19:42

Woah no I don’t think you are being unreasonable at all OP. Nothing against their dog, but it’s currently a complete unknown entity and toddlers are wild. As both the dog settles and calms down and your child gets older, maybe you could revisit. But I’d be looking for paid childcare until that happens - you can’t expect for them to remove the dog from the situation unfortunately.

Mischance · 25/07/2021 19:43

They have rescued a dog - you need to rescue your child.

You are right not to care about the opinions of your family. Your prime responsibility is to your child.

If your gut reaction is that it is not a situation you are comfortable with and you do not have confidence in your parents to keep your child safe, then you have no alternative but to find new child care. The other motive of creating a relationship with them for your child and for them is one they will have to forego. Shame - but their choice.

Stick to your guns.

villainousbroodmare · 25/07/2021 19:45

I agree with you. Pity. Plan B for daycare.

LtDansleg · 25/07/2021 19:46

@Soubriquet

So your problem is, the dog is big?

The dog as far as you have posted has shown no sign of aggression or anything like that. You just don’t like the dog

Did you miss the part where the op has said it’s untrained, boisterous, pushy and mouthy? Of course the fact that it’s massive makes a difference to how seriously it could injure a toddler, even if it didn’t mean to?
30degreesandmeltinghere · 25/07/2021 19:49

Ddog owner here.. 2 powerful ddogs in recent years.. A newborn dgc...
BUT I had a toddler(and older dc) who the ddogs had grown up with. Ddogs were 5 and 1 when the youngest arrived..
We are well experienced ddog owners and parents!!
Our ddogs were around dc full time.
Massive difference to the set up you describe. Dil had no issues with dgc being here.
Imo you need to ask your dm /df to look after dd at your home. I guess they will say no to leaving ddog home alone...
Therefore take the decision away from them.
Paid child care - nursery - is the answer..
Certainly do not put your dps feelings above the safety of your dc... Ever..

Floralnomad · 25/07/2021 19:49

I don’t disagree with your stance at all , could you suggest that if they want to still look after your child that one of them come to your house to do so whilst the other stays home with the dog , that is assuming you trust them not to take your child back to theirs once you have left for the day .

Runmybathforme · 25/07/2021 19:51

YANBU, I was recently hospitalised after being mauled by a dog rescued from Romania. It wasn’t a large dog by any means, but once it got its teeth into me, it wouldn’t let go. My main worry afterwards was that it could get out, it would certainly have killed a small child. Do not let anyone else make you feel guilty, go with your instincts.

Loveacuppa · 25/07/2021 19:52

Did the rescue home / charity give any guidance or advice? Sometimes they say things like "this dog is completely fine with kids" or "we know nothing about the history of this dog so wouldn't recommend it with small children". Just thinking that a professional opinion from a non-involved party might help?

HerMammy · 25/07/2021 19:52

YABU
Your parents are doing you the favour and you think you can dictate to them?
Put your DD in nursery and let them visit at your house ‘to facilitate a relationship’

Aquamarine1029 · 25/07/2021 19:53

Lifelong dog owner here, and there is no way I would have this dog anywhere near a 2 year old. I already question your parents judgment for getting a dog like this in the first place, and I would not trust them to keep your dog and the child completely separated.

Could your parents come to your home to watch your daughter?

Bonniegirlie · 25/07/2021 19:54

You're 100% right not to allow it and I speak as a dog owner. Until it is well trained I wouldn't let it in the same room as a toddler, even if I was there all the time. You have two entirely unpredictable creatures together, an accident waiting to happen. Nobody knows what has happened to a rescue dog before it was rescued and so you have no idea how it will react to a tiny, noisy, little person. I would be happy to have mine round a toddler, but we've had her 5 years. I wouldn't have let her near small children for a long time, until I knew how she would be, and then it would be under constant supervision. They're making bad decisions with regard to themselves so they're not to be trusted to make good decisions regarding your child. And especially so with a dog so large that they will struggle to control her should anything untoward start to happen. Nope, nope, nope.

Scottishskifun · 25/07/2021 19:56

Whilst I don't think your being unreasonable to be cautious with a toddler and a dog, that's just common sense and I say that as a larger breed owner and a mum of a toddler.

However you are being unreasonable to Tey and dictact that the dog is put outside there are other ways of separating the two and with a rescue dog they need care and support. It is not good training to just stick them outside whenever your daughter is about in fact it can cause more issues. They are better the dog a being with one of your parents in a separate room and rewarding the dog not reacting behaviour or getting excited etc at the novelty of your daughter.

If your not comfortable sending your daughter then pay for childcare.

Mommabear20 · 25/07/2021 19:57

YANBU. I trust my dogs and daughter together, but if anyone other than me, my DH or DH parents are looking after our daughter at our house, the dogs are kept separate from her. Like you say both are unpredictable and if one is having an off day it could lead to an accident.

For example, one of our dogs will growl at our daughter on occasion, she has 2 growls, 1 is a, I want to play and am about to pounce on you, growl, while the other is a, I don't want to play, you're in my space back up, growl. And only me, DH and DH parents seem to be able to tell the difference, therefore I can't trust even my own parents with them together. Mostly my daughter understands the differences too as will leave her alone but at the end of the day, she's 1, and doesn't always get it right.

RaindropsOnRosie · 25/07/2021 19:57

YANBU. But prepare yourself for the dog lovers who just love to bash on sensible people like you!

Have they got any training classes, agility, etc lined up for the dog? Even trained dogs can snap or even accidentally injure a small child. You're not wrong to be wary of the dog's size.

Do try to bring up the subject to them, tell them you're concerned about your daughter and the dog's safety. Unless there's a fair way to keep your daughter completely seperate from the dog at home, another form of childcare may suit better. Could one of your parents come to you to look after her?

VodkaSlimline · 25/07/2021 20:00

YANBU. Was there no discussion before they committed to getting an enormous dog with an unknown history of how they would manage this as well as looking after their grandchild?

honeybuns007 · 25/07/2021 20:05

@Soubriquet

So your problem is, the dog is big?

The dog as far as you have posted has shown no sign of aggression or anything like that. You just don’t like the dog

No I think the problem is that the parents are not experienced enough to train the dog. An untrained dog can be unpredictable. A huge untrained dog can be a killer. It sounds nice enough but definitely needs proper handling and it sounds like the parents are somewhat clueless
BudrosBudrosGalli · 25/07/2021 20:12

Well, pay for childcare then!

Feetupteashot · 25/07/2021 20:14

Absolutely keep them way from each other. However you may have to kay for childcare as you cannot dictate what they do in their house.

Of they would come to your house to care for gk then could reasonably say no

My MIL had very well behaved but massive dog and I absolutely would not let it visit the house with babies + toddlers(----mostly because it moulted like a bastard and I don't want dog poo ND neighbour's car poo in garden)

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