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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not allow this dog around my toddler?

49 replies

notadoglover · 25/07/2021 19:28

Anyone who knows me will recognise me from this post, but never mind.

Early disclaimer: I'm quite ambivalent about dogs in general. I also think a lot of people can be reckless when it comes to dogs around children (and vice versa), so that's my starting position here.

My parents have just "rescued" an approx 2yo dog from Eastern Europe (an entirely different issue, I won't start on that). The dog is a mixed breed, but massive. The height of a large german shepherd, but with a huge head and paws - she's clearly going to get bigger. Vet says she is around 15kg underweight, so she'll weigh over 50kg when up to ideal weight and condition. I have met this dog once and she was boisterous with bad manners (pushy and a bit mouthy).

My parents have owned a dog before but they are not experienced with large or challenging dogs. I think they're being exceptionally naive about the amount of input and maintenance this dog will require to ensure she is well trained and has good manners. I also do not believe they're genuinely prepared to make the sort of concessions I believe large dog breeds require (changes to their home and garden, a larger car, fewer options for backup dog care). They're in their early 60s and not physically strong, and I cannot possibly see how owning a 50kg, young dog is sustainable as they get older.

Initially, they acknowledged that the dog was unsuitable for them and were committed to finding her a new home. However, they seem to have totally fallen for her personality and now seem to be set on keeping her. Fine; they're adults, it's not my decision.

However, here's the crux: my two year old goes there once or twice a week while I work. This obviously is a huge help to me, but the arrangement is in large part to facilitate a relationship between my daughter and her GPs. Those days are really precious to them, and I'm loathe to put a stop to them. But I do NOT want this dog around my daughter, and I can't see that changing anytime soon. I dont trust them to supervise both appropriately, or to be consistent with this dog's training. It'll be a long time before I'd feel remotely comfortable leaving her there for the day with that dog, even if my parents insist they are kept separate. A large part of the problem is that I don't trust my parents to respect my boundaries on this, and I can well imagine them saying "the dog's fine, we can let them in together".

Worth noting that we are expecting another baby, so we've got another five years of having toddlers and very young children around.

My position on this is "if you keep the dog, I want her out of the house when our daughter visits or she isn't coming. The only people who I feel comfortable supervising the dog and the toddler are myself and my partner"

Other family members are making me feel terrible for drawing this "it's us or the dog" line, and I'm not sure I really care about their opinions on this. But for arguments sake, AIBU?

OP posts:
Gothichouse40 · 25/07/2021 20:22

I freely admit I don't like dogs and big dogs leave me terrified. Your child comes first. I don't mean to be offensive about your parents, but really do not understand this choice of dog, especially the size it will end up. Sit down with your parents and talk. You need to be honest with them. As time goes on, they may realise they have made a mistake getting the dog. Feeding it alone is going to cost a fortune, not to mention vets fees. They may also find that more family or friends stop visiting. I don't visit anyone with huge dogs and Im not great with small ones. Due to bad experience in the past. It will sort itself out and Im sure your parents will understand in the end.

notadoglover · 25/07/2021 20:23

Not sure where all these snarky comments about paying for childcare are coming from. We can and will pay for childcare on those day/s. My parents have my daughter once a week because they love having her over regularly, and they'd be very upset if that were to end.

Obviously I can't dictate if or when they get a dog, and that's categorically not what I am doing. I am, however, saying that if they do keep this dog, I am not comfortable with my daughter being in their home without me, at least for the foreseeable future.

This is upsetting for me too, I hate being in this position but I can't ignore the alarm bells.

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Gothichouse40 · 25/07/2021 20:26

Follow your instincts.

BreakfastClub80 · 25/07/2021 20:28

Dog owner here. I think you’re being very sensible, it doesn’t sound like your parents have had the dog for very long plus the dog has presumably had a difficult life, I think it will take some time before anyone could feel confident that mixing the dog with children. I didn’t ever let my dog and toddler together unsupervised as I felt the mix was too unpredictable.
I would find alternative ways to cover childcare and to facilitate the relationship and revisit as time goes by.

FrogsHiccups · 25/07/2021 20:28

You are 100% not being unreasonable. I say this as a dog lover who has 2 dogs myself, both rescue, one from Eastern Europe and 2 year old child. We’ve had to put ALOT of work in to our Eastern European rescue to get him as good as he is. We also understand dogs aren’t everyones cup of tea. My friend has 2 children and doesn’t like dogs, so they go in the kitchen when she calls round - she’s my guest and I want her and her children to feel comfortable in my house.
Trust your gut instinct. You are doing the right thing. The safety of your child is far more important than your parents feelings.

HarrisMcCoo · 25/07/2021 20:30

Paid childcare and take your DD to visit her grandparents when you are present to supervise interaction with their dog.

Ratalie · 25/07/2021 20:38

YANBU at all. I don't think babies/toddlers and dogs are ever an ideal mix. A large, powerful and poorly trained dog is another level altogether. I think you'd be negligent to allow the visits to continue.

Nanny0gg · 25/07/2021 20:38

Can they have her at your house or can the dog not be left?

notadoglover · 25/07/2021 20:39

Thank you to those who have responded, especially the experienced dog owners. I know I don't owe anyone an explanation when it comes to keeping my child/ren safe, but it's still a help to know that I'm not being neurotic or dramatic (as some in my family would have me believe).

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Red01 · 25/07/2021 20:40

YANBU. My seven year old was bitten a few days ago by a relative's dog he has known ever since he was a puppy (the dog is now 3). The dog has always been lovely, has been trained well, and I trust the owners. But it still happened, completely out of the blue. This was a small dog. There is no way that I would let my child be around an unknown rescue dog. It's not to do with liking the dog or not - it's to do with the consequences if something does happen. Absolutely not a risk worth taking.

notadoglover · 25/07/2021 20:41

On having one or both of them have her at ours: I will suggest that to them and it might be a decent compromise, at least for the time being.

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LivingLaVidaCovid · 25/07/2021 20:43

I am a dog owner. I would feel similar to you.

However i voted yabu because there will invariably be times when the dog isn't out of the house. You need to sort out proper paid-for childcare that isnt your giant dog owning parents.

Ratalie · 25/07/2021 20:47

@LivingLaVidaCovid

Have you not bothered to read the OP's posts?

Purpleweeks · 25/07/2021 20:47

It's difficult to say if you are being unreasonable as it really depends on how well they train and manage the dog and strangers on the internet can't say if you're in-laws will do this well.
The dog shouldn't need to be completely out of the house but I would the dog should be kept separated from the toddler in a different secure room. I wouldn't introduce until the dog has had training and settled in its new home and then it should be well supervised so certainly reasonable for you to be there for any interactions initially.

VanGoSunflowers · 25/07/2021 20:52

Just not worth the risk.
YANBU.

FleasAndKeef · 25/07/2021 20:58

YANBU

I have a 50kg rescue dog (from Spain) who we had for 3 years prior to DS arriving. DS is now 2 and I would not trust anyone except me or my husband to look after my dog and my child together- there are very strict safety rules that we observe and we are absolute in our active supervision of their interaction.

This is a newly rescued dog, who may not be used to children and will be dealing with all the upheaval of the rescue process and a toddler who is not familiar with this kind of dog and little impulse control.

Absolute recipe for disaster and no way would I allow, for the safety of both dog and child. Visits with you present (once dog has truly settled in) seems reasonable, if you and the dog are comfortable with this.

HarrisMcCoo · 25/07/2021 20:59

I still recommend paid childcare and I love dogs. I own a St Bernard so one of the biggest dogs you can get, really. She's gentle with children but still never left alone with my DC.

HarrisMcCoo · 25/07/2021 21:00

My dog is now in excess of 50kgs, btw. Huge.

billyt · 25/07/2021 21:01

One of the big issues of rescue dogs from outside the UK is the lack of proper checks on the new owners.

Your parents would probably not have been allowed to home a rescue dog of this size, age and weight from a UK rescue centre. I've been to Romania several times and got to know a couple who rescued street dogs to transfer to the UK. . You do not know what that dogs has been through

I've had large dogs and I don't think you're unreasonable in the slightest.

Forgetting the possibility of biting etc. they only have to be a bit clumsy to cause injury to a small child.

Quietcrown · 25/07/2021 21:08

I wouldn't be happy with that either. It's a shame but I'd be looking for paid childcare and no more visits to their house unless you or your partner are present.

You just don't know this dogs history unfortunately and it isn't worth the risk.

Theunamedcat · 25/07/2021 21:09

My aunt has an unpredictable dog she also had a family party today with children the dog was muzzled and heavily supervised by her and her friends he was never alone despite the muzzle everyone was protective because he is unpredictable

Usual2usual · 25/07/2021 21:13

I love dogs and have 2 myself (along with 2 DC). I think you are 100% right here.

Dogs, especially larger ones, can hurt small children even without intending to just through being playful etc. Never mind that you don't know anything about this dogs background or experiences.

GettingItOutThere · 25/07/2021 21:18

pay for childcare!

fwiw i would not like a big dog like that around my child either, I have dogs and trust mine too

GSD20 · 25/07/2021 21:20

I have a giant breed and am very careful with my DC. It’s not just aggression you need to worry about but even minor silliness can send DC flying across the room…luckily mine are older and a bit more robust!

I do agree with you though. Some people are just rubbish dog owners despite the dog. My MIL has a Jack Russell she can’t or won’t train and I won’t allow DC around that either so I don’t blame you for being nervous about this one!

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