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Mask Question

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Carrotinthesky · 22/07/2021 21:29

I'm approaching 70 years old, and I work 3 days a week in a seaside town 15 miles away. 20 minute train ride from almost my doorstep, to my place of work. Hop off the train, 3 minute walk. It's a branch line, so not much used on rainy, cold, or winter days. Often have a carriage to myself. But flaming Norah, if it's school hols or a hot sunny day, the carriage is heaving!
And that's fine as well. Except nobody is wearing masks any more, even though they're mandated on trains. Notices and announcements everywhere. £200 fine for not wearing a mask. I hopped on the train yesterday, and there was no spare seat that didn't involve sitting amongst maskless teen-agers. Even their 40 + ish parents, some of whom were present, were maskless.
When the conductor came along to take fares, as soon as they all heard "tickets please" they all pulled up their chin masks or fumbled in their pockets to assure that they were being good citizens and abiding by the rules. As soon as he'd gone, of course, they dumped the masks and continued chattering and laughing and doing what teenagers do. Nothing wrong with that obviously, under normal circumstances. I will and I do just suck it up. I was young once! But I do wish we could find a way to stop this carelessness of others in this unprecedented situation. In my personal situation, it's at most, a 20 minute train journey. Is it that hard for young healthy teens (and their 40ish healthy parents) to just obey the rules of the rail service they are using?

I realise that they are also risking their own chances of catching covid as well as mine. But for the sake of 20 minutes mask wearing, they might avoid passing on a virus that likely won't kill them, but might kill me.

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Merryoldgoat · 22/07/2021 21:32

YANBU but there’s no legal requirement and that’s all that’s needed for some people.

I’ll be wearing mine and so will most people I know but it can’t really be enforced now.

IRanSoFarAway1 · 22/07/2021 21:37

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Nicknacky · 22/07/2021 21:39

Can the trains fine people for not wearing a mask if the government have no longer made it unlawful?

PumpkinKlNG · 22/07/2021 21:43

The buses in London claim you still have to wear them but most aren’t anymore and they don’t put that awful annoying announcement on every 5 minutes anymore reminding people so I don’t think they have any power if someone isn’t wearing a mask , I don’t wear one so I’m happy!

Carrotinthesky · 22/07/2021 21:46

Can the trains fine people for not wearing a mask if the government have no longer made it unlawful?

Yes they can. They can make whatever rules of travel they want. Some trains don't allow alcohol. Pubs do.

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AnUnoriginalUsername · 22/07/2021 21:50

We've kept all this up while we could vaccinate the vulnerable. Those that can be vaccinated, are. So we need to just get on with it now. We can't keep covid cases low, it's a part of our lives. Deaths are very low compared to cases which is exactly why we were doing this. Do people really think we can control the amount of covid infections forever? Summer is the best time to let it spread so we can build immunity ready for winter.

Buppers · 22/07/2021 21:52

@IRanSoFarAway1

We've lived your way for 15 months. Can we have a break now?

The IFR globally now is 0.17 I think?

Agreed.
Nicknacky · 22/07/2021 21:53

@Carrotinthesky But drinking alcohol on transport is covered under byelaws, I don’t think mask wearing can be fined although I’m prepared to be wrong as I’m in Scotland and we don’t have this yet.

Can you direct me to a link?

Carrotinthesky · 22/07/2021 21:53

So why are people donning their mask when the conductor goes by? And then removing them once he's gone, so that anyone who might object to this underhanded practise has no evidence? Do they not have the courage?

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SupermanWithTheGreyHair · 22/07/2021 21:56

I’m still wearing a mask.... but there’s nothing you can do if others don’t. If the train company are really committed to getting people to wear them, they will need to put more staff on. But they won’t. Wear your mask and social distance as much as you can, that’s all you can do.

user1471453601 · 22/07/2021 21:56

@IRanSoFarAway1, the rate in my town is 800+ per 100.000 It's the highest it's ever been.

You may wish to "just live with it", I don't want to die with it. Mr sister, brother-in-law, neice and her husband are just recovering from it. All four are double jabbed.

My sister nursed my mum through the same degenerative disease I have inherited, so she knows quite a lot about it. Her view is that, despite the fact I'm double vaccinated, I wouldn't survive.

Have you no vulnerable friends or family you want to protect? If not, can you really not imagine having someone you love in that position?

All the opening poster is asking for, is that people continue wearing masks. Is that so difficult? If someone has a medical exemption, they have never needed to wear them.

How does it hurt people or the economy to still ask for masks to be worn, and the two meter rule to continue? Is that an unreasonable ask?

Nicknacky · 22/07/2021 21:57

@Carrotinthesky Who knows, did you ask any of them?

Or just accept you can’t change anyone else. And I include me in that as I won’t be wearing one when I don’t need to.

AnUnoriginalUsername · 22/07/2021 22:00

@user1471453601 do you genuinely want us to wear masks forever? Covid 19 isn't going away.

Carrotinthesky · 22/07/2021 22:02

Can you direct me to a link?

Ner,
I can't. I'd have just thought it common courtesy to take precautions during a pandemic, especially when I knew I might be sharing a space with vulnerable people.
Times have changed. Nobody cares about their neighbour any more.

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IRanSoFarAway1 · 22/07/2021 22:04

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Myusernameisnotmyusernameno · 22/07/2021 22:06

It's not an offence

ragged · 22/07/2021 22:10

I had a different experience on trains today (3 journeys, 2 of them from/to seaside towns).

Nearly empty services: about 50:50 mask wearing.
Not rammed but most seats filled service: 95% mask wearing

ticket collector didn't seem to care that me & the rail company employee opposite me were both unmasked

i don't think there are rules, actually. Just guidance.

Shoxfordian · 22/07/2021 22:15

I don’t think it is an offence anymore not to wear one and if you wear yours then there’s still protection for you op

StrawberrySquash · 22/07/2021 22:15

Yeah, it's crappy of them. In your place I think I'd stand by the door for the whole journey where I was well away from people and the air is being refreshed when the doors open, assuming you are able. It's crap that it means you can't have a seat though.

Nicknacky · 22/07/2021 22:16

@Myusernameisnotmyusernameno Thank you for that, as I thought and they can’t fine you.

Carrotinthesky · 22/07/2021 22:17

Or just accept you can’t change anyone else. And I include me in that as I won’t be wearing one when I don’t need to

If you'd wear a mask on a packed train where it is mandatory, then I'd ask no more of anyone. I don't have to go in shops I feel risky, or anywhere else that's packed with people. I have to get on the train to go to work

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user1471453601 · 22/07/2021 22:20

@IRanSoFarAway1. You want me to give you a break. I want you to do two things to save !ives. Wear a mask, unless you are exempt, and stay two meters away. How difficult is that?

It appears from yours and @AnUnoriginalUsername reply, that it's very difficult.

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