Do I really want to go down this road?

[ZoinksRun]

Sorry for being vague:
Person A is my boss. Person A made a mistake a year ago that caused me a lot of stress and cost me financially. A couple of months ago person B told me that person A had made the same mistake with them and it had effected them negatively, and impacted their career progression. These mistakes are made through carelessness and a disregard for procedures rather than maliciously.
Person B is taking this further. This might result in person A getting dismissed. Person B wants me to tell them what happened with me last year. I'm not sure I could live with partially responsible for someone losing their job. The mistake has had no repercussions for me now. It's not effected anyone else. Person A is a nice person, we get on well. I understand why person B is angry, as I was this time last year. Should I just say that I don't want to speak to HR?

This doesn’t look anything like a sackable offence to me. The organisation is already aware of what hiring decisions have been made and will also know whether and what the recruitment process looked like. It isn’t illegal to not follow a fair recruitment process and considering the other people that would have been involved in the appointment I don’t think one person is going to be disciplined over it. There could be a review of process, which would be a good thing of course.

There is maybe a reprimand for some of the things mentioned, but the details are a bit too vague here to say, sounds like hearsay to me. Maybe another employee said they could not take on an increased role because of childcare responsibilities and A repeated that for example.

I think that if somebody asks you about your experience, you should answer the questions. It may be useful feedback. Although I think you are wrong to say she made a mistake that cost you money - you didn’t get a promotion you had hoped for.

also have now seen the update with the fact they were gossiping about people's circumstances childcare issues are they women? You are shafting another woman because A - who is a fucker, tbh - is "nice"?

This is a site full of mums and you're happy to have mums treated like this in the workplace? REALLY?

Her behaviour is bad but to say it cost you financially is surely a stretch as you weren't guaranteed the job. She shouldn't be doing it the way she is, but I don't understand why you'd have been happy if she'd just done staged interviews for show and then still given the job to somebody else anyway. The end result is the same.

This is my feeling on the situation too. There is no obligation for an employer to advertise a role, they can directly appoint if they want to. It’s bad practice not to run an open recruitment process yes, but I’m not sure it’s likely to be a sackable offence. HR will almost certainly already be aware of it as they’ll have had to process the promotions. So they’re either on board with the steps the manager has taken, or they’re not happy about it but have already whether or not to take action with the manager.

The discriminatory comments are another matter though, and that could be much more serious. That needs to be investigated and I think if you have any information about it you have a moral obligation to share it.

I thought jobs did have to be advertised externally?

I was given a full time job from an agency position, along with a colleague, and the boss advertised it externally. Let us both go and told us he'd advertise in a few weeks and we'd get the jobs.

Actually, I'm being a dumbass. That was clearly a way for my boss to get around paying agency fees.

Obviously it's just my opinion and I can understand it might be a pain in the neck/adding stress to your existing load, etc., but I do feel you should support your colleague.

I have just left a temporary job I was doing, mainly as I was overlooked for promotion for the next level up; despite doing several aspects of it for months and even being given a bonus for exceptional work, that was normally only given to permanent staff. Ultimately, I decided I couldn't live with it and left. However, if it had been a permanent post, I probably would have done what your colleague is doing now and obviously your support would assist them.

Person A would not have been able to do all this without the support of the more senior managers surely. Thus person A is unlikely to lose her job for something they were already aware of.

When I worked for the NHS this kind of behaviour by managers was not uncommon and HR would pretty much always back the more senior person in the organisation regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation. With a heavy heart I say that this could work out badly for you OP.

@Snog

When I worked for the NHS this kind of behaviour by managers was not uncommon and HR would pretty much always back the more senior person in the organisation regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation. With a heavy heart I say that this could work out badly for you OP.

this pisses me off... we all know how hard and long the shifts are without this unfair bollocks.. 🌸