To think that a child who has never been camping is not necessarily from a ‘deprived’ background

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DD’s school organised a camping trip for Y5. DD is younger and didn’t attend but her class teacher went to chaperone. I was chatting with her about it today and she said she was so glad the school was able to organise the trip as so many of the Y5 kids had never been camping and would never otherwise get the chance to go. It was clear that she felt sorry for the children who hadn’t been before and was shaking her head sorrowfully, saying many of them are the same poor kids who have never been to the beach and this is one of the saddest aspects of deprivation...

AIBU to not see the link between camping and deprivation? We’ve never taken DD because it’s my idea of hell, nothing to do with lack of funds!

Regions? Tedious.

@Bbq1

I give up. Myself and others trying to explain and pposters just think the teacher "likes camping" 🤦and the latest poster proudly proclaims that their son is "far from deprived" but has never been camping "Because I don't like it". Missing the point entirely. People are very ignorant about how some people live and lacking basic empathy but I'm done trying to explain.

Yep. I work in a school in an area of high deprivation and a lot of these comments are so depressing. People have no idea. There will certainly be dc who attend who haven't been to the beach and our school is called (Name of local beach)View, let alone camped, stayed at the Marriott, gonna skiing or whatever you prefer instead of camping

Okay let's simplify. How many of the DC who's never been camping have NEVER been to a beach to break the teachers statement into the 2 parts as everyone is missing the 2nd bit.
I live in the inner city with beaches train rides away, there are definitely DC around here who never felt beach sand on their toes.

@PinkiOcelot

My dds have never been camping either. It’s my idea of hell. They’re not deprived!

Well, you're wrong and don't understand the context of the OP, according to @EmeraldShamrock. After all they effort they went to explain it to you aswell. Rude!

@Shmithecat2 my post was in reply to you and your ignorant comments to bbq.
Don't be whistle calling tagging pinki

[quote EmeraldShamrock]@Shmithecat2 my post was in reply to you and your ignorant comments to bbq.
Don't be whistle calling tagging pinki[/quote]
I was replying to Pinki. Why wouldn't I?

I would think that for a child growing up in poverty a break camping in the countryside would be a welcome distraction, All that freedom to play safely, the fun of sleeping in a tent, perhaps a day at the seaside, it dosen't take much imagination to see that some children are simply not able to have 'experiences' like that if mum and dad are struggling.

@SleepingStandingUp it’s ok there are more posters in this thread for us pheasants to wana slum it like we should be greatful.

Whoever mentioned about plebs, I’m offering fabulous camping experience in 4man tent where only under 8 can stand up straight without pulling tent down.

Have luxury double air bed maybe fit 3 under 5ft tall skinny people room with room at side of tent for 4th person.

Luxury air bed as has built in foot pump that makes lovely screeching sound as u pump it

If you sleep like soldiers then there 50% chance ur wake up with bit air left in it.

You can take an adventure through the death trap maze alley to go round front of house to use loo. Be careful undoing ties, door screens and billion zips as you still bound to trip landing arse over tit on to sleeping short people.

Use bbq only on patio no fires on my expensive fake grass.

2 camping chairs

What more could you want for £20 a night, free to my fellow poor families, I will provide decent cuppa tea or shit instant coffee when wildlife has woken you up and what fcking time in morning. We rural. Upper plebs can drive to Costa.

My elder sister is such a snob, she rather break a leg than go camping, same as caravanning (I love staying in caravan).

Never taken kids to zoo since see how sad elephant looked in London zoo (years ago) they not fun places.

Theme parks are hell on earth now-days unless you pay for fast pass.

Yes my youngest unfortunately due to my circumstances won’t get life experiences gave eldest but such is life, it’s hard lesson already with electronic devices and none branded clothes but he will have life skills.

DD was shocked at fellow house mates when went to Uni who couldn’t even cook pasta and had mummy and daddy there picking up tab or buying this and that.

It hard as parent to not be able to give kids stuff but I know my DD is more than capable of facing the world without me wiping her arse - actually she better doing adulting than me.

Things like Camping experiences gave her nothing she feels same about camping like my sister.

Going by this thread I’m guessing not many have actual contact with real poor people.

No, I do understand actually. I'm a teacher who worked in a very deprived area for 11 years. I worked with families who count afford to buy coats and shoes for their children, put the heating on in winter etc. Many of those children had never been camping or to the beach or even out of their local area. They had very little life experience in general. It was sad.

*Shmithecat2 Fair enough if you're stuck in your mindset.
Learning about all walks of society brings growth, ignorance, I'm not intending to be rude.
I don't a lot of things however I do know about DC and people living in deprivation.

I'm 53 and never been camping or caravanning. When I was growing up my DM refused because she would be the one cooking and cleaning/tidying up. It wouldn't have been a holiday for her.

As an adult I've never fancied it especially if I found a slug had crawled over my face in the night.

Yanbu. My child isn't from a deprived background, he won't be going camping as I hate it. He has been on all inclusive holiday's abroad that cost much more than camping mind

@EmeraldShamrock

*Shmithecat2 Fair enough if you're stuck in your mindset. Learning about all walks of society brings growth, ignorance, I'm not intending to be rude. I don't a lot of things however I do know about DC and people living in deprivation.

And you think I don't? Quit your virtue signalling and stop being so bloody patronising. You have absolutely no idea what I do or don't know about living in deprivation. The arrogance is astounding.

@EmeraldShamrock

I get the impression she thinks families like us wouldn’t have NT membership (we are working class and we are not white). Oh Okay so this is about your feelings and not the facts.

There are additional FACTS I know about this teacher that I haven’t mentioned on the thread because I don’t want to write chapter and verse or to be accused of drip feeding but just so you know: I have heard this teacher sneer at parents who go on “hideous all inclusive holidays” rather than taking their children on holidays of educational value. The children in DS’ class go to forest school every week (spend the entire day in a local forest). Obviously a great activity but when a group of parents complained that the children were made to go when it was pelting down with rain she summised that these were parents who obviously did not take their children outdoors regularly and perhaps it was cultural (many were Muslim). She then suggested the PTA fundraise to buy waterproofs for children who cannot afford them as that may be why some parents are resistant. No. Parents were resistant because their children were returning home soaked to the skin and ill after spending 8 hours in the rain.

I KNOW this woman is patronising and lacks an understanding of the school body. She taught DD in Y1 and I, along with other parents, have heard several years of her nonsense. QQ

And you think I don't? Quit your virtue signalling and stop being so bloody patronising. You have absolutely no idea what I do or don't know about.
I'm not being patronising. If that is what you want to take from it, fine.

Shmithecat2
My son is as far from deprived as you can get he doesn't know he's bloody born, and he's not been camping. Because I don't like it.

I would interpret her to mean "some kids haven't even been camping."

We only went camping as a kid and I was so envious of the other kids at school whose holidays had walls and floors and refridgeration. (Admittedly, this was proper shit 70s camping in a tent).

@StripyGiraffes

I wasn't "arguing with things you haven't said" but your defence of the implication of your post, given the OP you were responding to, was that somehow your relative's children are deprived by society,, rather than being deprived as a result of having shitty parents. Is anybody doing anything to either give those children a decent childhood or move them to homes where that will be provided? If not, that is the tragedy. Not a lack of camping.

You’re still arguing with things I have not said or inferred. My relative’s children are not deprived by society and I am not implying or indeed saying that they are. Kind of weird that you seem determined to read things into my posts but I guess that’s the nature of being online.

Not going skiing is not being deprived, a home that disruptive and un fosterable (can't think of another word for it) kids live in, go skiing every year, plus the older ones go away on long ships......these kids are from very deprived backgrounds.

Actually you fuckers saying about poor and camping the teacher actually meant most of these privileges darlings will never have to slum it thanks to middle class arse parents*
So surely it's a good think dor schools to offer these opportunities. If kids dint want to go fine, it isnt about CAMPING, its about the opportunity to try new things which lots of families can't facilitate. Ours go to the seaside for a day. Its forever on the coach but for kids who wouldn't otherwise get to see the sea, it's worth it

Parents were resistant because their children were returning home soaked to the skin and ill after spending 8 hours in the rain. But shes right in that with proper waterproofs theyd have been fine and obv assumed that if the kids go weekly and still don't have them, it must be cost rather than poor parenting

@Blinkingheckythump

Yanbu. My child isn't from a deprived background, he won't be going camping as I hate it. He has been on all inclusive holiday's abroad that cost much more than camping mind

Well exactly. It isn't CHOOSING to not go camping but NOT BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE ANY HOLIDAY that's the indication of poverty / deprivation. It's the lack of choice

My kids can go camping the same way I did. As a teen with my friends at a festival or in a random field 🤣 the only way I can tolerate camping is by being drunk which isn't appropriate being sole charge of 3 small children. We do caravan/b&b holidays in the UK and will be going abroad ASAP! Theyre certainly not deprived children and if anyone thinks they are because they've not been, they are welcome to take them themselves. I hate insects, have bad hay-fever and I like my comfort.

Sleepingstandingup

I got nothing against school doing camping trips etc, mine does a school trip for 5days away at eye watering price. There isn’t enough alcohol that could tempt me to want to be a teacher doing that trip. So hats of to them.

It’s the referencing those in poverty and camping. I am in circumstances where fall into that category and yes some of comments are fucking insulting. That people forget us poor still use MN.

I’m not gana cry about what people say on internet too old to give shit anymore I just chucking my opinion as poor person in.

Since raising one kid in Country side I couldn’t think of anything worse than day at seaside on day like today my kid who loves beach would hate it. Used to privilege of open space, btw someone said about open safe space, nope we attract all pedos here.

Unless you camping Bear Grills style is hardly life changing experience, toilet & shower blocks, warm cosy air bed, food on site most camp sites have shops.

Now bell style tent with all luxury moncons I’d consider.

Ask a kid Disney land or camping which one they pick?

Yh being poor doesn’t mean you have to be grateful for any ole shit and that’s what it being sold as here.

@SleepingStandingUp The coach is painful but the memories are priceless.
Many parents CBA.
PP's don't see it. The looking glass into a bizarre universe.
"There is no cereal in the cupboard, why don't they eat an avocado from the fridge, my DC don't like cereal they prefer avocado with naice ham.

Yh being poor doesn’t mean you have to be grateful for any ole shit and that’s what it being sold as here. Only because you've decided that a camping holiday equates to any old shit. We lovee camping as kids. No air beds, very limited eating out and ice creams cos of money, all cramped into one tent when the tent poles used to be inside abd at risk of collapsing if you rolled. Ok it isnt everyone's thing but that doesn't mean its shit being flung at the poor. Our trips are heavily subsidised (£8 for zoo which os normally £17 plus coach) so no way could they afford to subsidise anything too fancy