Anyone else just completely fed up now?

[Trinitykb]

Chris Whitty suggesting that another lockdown could be on the cards, after all this ‘irreversible’ talk.

Once again, Manchester has pretty much the highest rate of infection.

Masks still to be kept as compulsory by many establishments like Sainsbury’s, in medical centres and likely on public transport too.

Cases are at their highest in months, hospitalisations and deaths are on the increase too.

I feel like it’s last summer all over again. Things will continue to rise and then rule of six and so on will be brought back. Local lockdowns for Greater Manchester and the other usual areas and then a national lockdown by October.

All the “I’m postponing my holiday to 2021” people are now “postponing to 2022.”
Will you be doing it until 2023?
It’s harder to go abroad now than it was last year when we had no vaccines.

When is this going to be over?

I'm willing to admit it may be wrong...but my initial impression is that the government withdrawing the legal requirements is a good thing as then the onus is on the individual meaning we can make informed judgements. Perhaps I'm naive, but I think people taking responsibility now is right.

Masks still compulsory in my nhs Trust and all others that I know of.

@LadyMcBee

I'm willing to admit it may be wrong...but my initial impression is that the government withdrawing the legal requirements is a good thing as then the onus is on the individual meaning we can make informed judgements. Perhaps I'm naive, but I think people taking responsibility now is right.

It's got to happen at some point. Better now than mid winter or wait another year.

@Trinitykb

I tried to book swimming online and it was like trying to get blood out of a stone.

I’m actually really annoyed they aren’t returning to the previous system for swimming. I can only book in advance I cannot ‘just’ turn up. Swim sessions are limited to 45 minutes and it is lane swimming only. The gym is returning to the previous drop in system. I can only assume they make more money on swimming by restricting the sessions. Totally frustrating if you want to try and book a family swim. There is no chance where I live, even a week in advance.

I lost almost £500 due to having to isolate. I applied for the test and trace payment but never heard back, they asked my employer to confirm my loss of pay by email but the employer failed to do this twice so I likely won’t receive anything.

I was paid £60 for 10 days off work.

I’m going to visit a relative abroad next week and the testing is costing me more than my flight cost.

There will never be 100% vaccine uptake. I just wish I knew the future, I have 2 jobs and one of them is zero hours so I don’t get paid if they’re closed, which they do in lockdowns.

Just want to know where it’s all going.

It will carry on as long as the government dicks around and doesn't act on scientific advice quickly enough. Which I fear means bloody ages.

@amission

You can still develop long Covid, which is a pretty hideous add-on you don't see with seasonal flu.

Well post-viral fatigue has been a thing for quite some time now

This old chestnut again. Since when has permanent damage to your lung/heart/kidneys/hearing/brain/nervous system/immune system (tick as appropriate) constituted "post viral fatigue".

My neighbour has lung scarring. I've got kidney damage and either nerve damage or MAST cell activation syndrome (or both, tests in progress). Neither of us were even hospitalized.

@amission

You can still develop long Covid, which is a pretty hideous add-on you don't see with seasonal flu.

Well post-viral fatigue has been a thing for quite some time now

Yes, but things like early-onset dementia, damage to various organs, seizures, etc, are also part of this. My friend is 36yo and has been told he may be developing early-onset dementia as part of long covid. Very early (small scale) research suggests there are issues with shrinkage in certain areas of the brain. Further studies are needed to determine if this is 'a thing' or if it would've happened anyway. There's so much we don't know yet but the estimate (I think I read this on the Beeb website) is 10-20% of people getting long Covid. With 50k new cases today alone that's potentially a significant number of people when this is finally under control.

I want things to open up, I want to do stuff without having to book or wear a mask. But I don't want to do that before we have a better handle on things. I know I'm risk averse generally but my kids are too young for a vaccine and I'd like to keep the risks low for their sake.

@Trinitykb

It’s frustrating seeing the elites and celebrities get to travel around for ‘work’ and do what they like basically.

Why are you comparing yourself to the elites? Their lives will always be different from ours. Just do what you have to do to make yourself safe.

Because in usual times, we too had the freedom of travel. It wasn’t something that only the rich and famous got to do so easily, now it seems it is.

Better now than mid winter or wait another year.

What's better about now? What makes this the optimal time?

Sorry to be such a misery guts but I'm operating on the principle of
it's going to get really bad again, therefore i will prepare.

If it doesn't it's a bonus.

Blame the Tories. They decided to drop restrictions as they didn't have the backbench support to vote them thru again and were too cowardly to rely on labour votes, even when it was the right thing to do.
They're just gambling on vaccinations being enough to make it not that bad, but opening up like this increases risk of mutations that might be vaccine resistant. It's horrendously irresponsible and no other country in the world is doing it.
As for the 'if not now, when?' argument - maybe the when is when cases aren't rising exponentially?
There's a health bill going through now. The Tories are deliberately engineering health crises so people go private rather than sit on a waiting list. They can say the NHS needs to be privatised as it's not fit for purpose. The lot of it is just absolutely corrupt and immoral.

You can tell I was in the brownies when I was little.

Motto 'be prepared'.

@MordredsOrrery

Better now than mid winter or wait another year.

What's better about now? What makes this the optimal time?

We don't get all the other winter respiratory illnesses to deal with at the same time so hospitals more able to cope. People are outside more. Children are not at school so not all mixing.

There's a health bill going through now. The Tories are deliberately engineering health crises so people go private rather than sit on a waiting list. They can say the NHS needs to be privatised as it's not fit for purpose. The lot of it is just absolutely corrupt and immoral.

You may have something there

They are after all a bunch of shady opportunistic bastards

I’m just so damn sick of users misquoting and using it to scaremonger today.

I don’t get it, OP. Are you determined to misquote everyone, spread misinformation, or what? First, you were wrong about what Chris Whitty said. So there’s that. And you completely ignore you were wrong. We just dealt with this shite on the COVID board. Then, it was Solicitor General Lucy Frazer and now you’re wrong about what she’s said, too.

First of all, the beginning of her quote was on “your” side: “It is really important that we get the balance right between ensuring that we keep this virus under control and we take the necessary clinical measures to do that, but that we also recognise that there are consequences of not opening up and not allowing people to go about their daily lives.”

And THEN here is her quote about restrictions which doesn’t say anything about “absolutely”: “Of course if we get into a situation where it’s unacceptable and we do need to put back further restrictions then that is of course something the Government will look at.”

She even mentions the large vaccination level as a caveat AND keeps encouraging opening up.
“But a large number of people have been vaccinated... we’re still asking people to take responsibility and we do need to ask ourselves, if we don’t open up now, when will we be able to?”

She appears to be 100% in favor of opening up. The end.

And before someone mentions their friend who works at the NHS, I saw the numbers in the article. They’re worried because ICU beds on ventilators have gone up 41% this week… to 227. It was over FOUR THOUSAND during the “worst” of COVID. Now, in fact, 10x more people are dying of flu and pneumonia than COVID. Here’s that source:
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/nhs-alarm-rise-number-uk-covid-patients-ventilators

If even one person at breaking point over this sees your post with the word “lockdown” when Chris Whitty never said it, that’s pretty shite.

It's not really "freedom day". Still have to wear masks in many places .It seems more people are isolating that ever

Nobody is scaremongering or misquoting. Your anger is unnecessary.

Trust me, I’m at breaking point myself.

I think Newcastle and the surrounding areas has Manchester beaten on inflection rate!

We’re dropping sensible measures like mask wearing for political reasons. We’ll be in full lockdown again by September. You can’t deal with a pandemic by deciding you’re sick of it and you’d like it to go away now.

Um, this thing about kids not mixing, because, school holidays. So, not in holiday programs for the young ones, not working, or mixing socially, for older ones? Of course they're bloody mixing, and if it's allowed under the rules, then if cases increase, then it's on them wot makes the rules.

Personal responsibility? SERIOUSLY?! After what we saw last weekend, what we've seen from our 'leading lights', well, clearly there's a fairly significant minority that would have trouble spelling it, let alone enacting it.

At the beginning of this scientists said pandemics can run for 5 years. We can't control it because we won't/can't act as an island nation and isolate ourselves from the rest of the world. I'm surprised that people thought things could return to normal this summer.

@Ghosttile

We’re dropping sensible measures like mask wearing for political reasons. We’ll be in full lockdown again by September. You can’t deal with a pandemic by deciding you’re sick of it and you’d like it to go away now.

Nobody I know wears masks properly.

Pointless.

Masks were introduced for political reasons.