HEALTH AND CARE BILL

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I'm posting here for traffic - and because I don't know where else to post.

The Health and care bill passed a second reading - 356 to 219 - but the fight against it is growing. This will destroy the NHS. Private companies will not only be allowed to own parts of the NHS, but will have representatives making NHS decisions - Virgin has already been given a seat on a decision making NHS body.

Non-medical, profit-motivated organisations will be making the decisions which affect ours and our children's health. This MUST be stopped if there is to be any quality of life in this country at all.

PROTEST, PROTEST, PROTEST

Please join us in campaigning to #ScrapNHSBill which entrenches privatisation & does nothing to address the social care crisis

@EveryDoctor is fighting this on Twitter, but they can't do it alone - it needs us to fight it too - taking to the streets if necessary.

I know this sounds over-dramatic, but I promise you it isn't. This govt. has taken advantage of the pandemic to line their own pockets and eat away at our liberties. DON'T let them take the NHS, too

twitter.com/EveryDoctorUK

Publicise this as widely as you can - far too many people are unaware of what is happening.

Shared on my SM. This is disgusting

Thank you for sharing OP, I didn’t know about this and I am appalled by it.

I want a stop to privatisation and to bring the NHS back into public ownership. Taxpayers money should be used only for the services we need not to line the pockets of CEO’s of private companies.

The USA has the most expensive healthcare in the world because of their profit driven system.

I agree with the EveryDoctor Twitter account which you shared.

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Medical bills are a leading cause of bankruptcy in the US.

I can see it going back to the days where people actually died because they couldn't afford a doctor if we aren't very careful.

Personally I’d support a different healthcare system. What we have isn’t working and the NHS is no longer fit for purpose, nor is our country the same as it was when the NHS was founded.

People start shrieking “what about America” at any suggestion of change though, oblivious to the many other better systems, eg a Australia, France, Switzerland, Germany etc.

@MaskingForIt

Personally I’d support a different healthcare system. What we have isn’t working and the NHS is no longer fit for purpose, nor is our country the same as it was when the NHS was founded.

People start shrieking “what about America” at any suggestion of change though, oblivious to the many other better systems, eg a Australia, France, Switzerland, Germany etc.

I don't disagree with you - but it is the Americans (and Richard Branson) who are getting in on the ground floor.

The NHS has been underfunded and understaffed for decades, which is why it isn't "for for purpose". And yes - our country has changed, one of the changes being that people demand much more of a health service than just keeping them alive and capable of work.

If we had a system similar the German one (which is the only one of the others I know), I don't think I'd object to that . . .

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4296192-NHS-White-Paper-will-remove-the-statutory-duty-to-provide-hospital-medical-services

cygnusreports.org/nhs-white-paper-doublespeak/

@MaskingForIt

Personally I’d support a different healthcare system. What we have isn’t working and the NHS is no longer fit for purpose, nor is our country the same as it was when the NHS was founded.

People start shrieking “what about America” at any suggestion of change though, oblivious to the many other better systems, eg a Australia, France, Switzerland, Germany etc.

I agree with this.

(Which isn't the proposed changes, I know.)

The NHS isn't underfunded. It just has an unquenchable demand. Spending on the NHS just keeps going up, except for a few small blips

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/70-years-of-nhs-spending compared with GDP

www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget and in terms of inflation adjusted actual spend.

Underfunding really means not getting quite as much extra cash each year as they had hoped.

The UK spends less per head than many other countries, including Germany.

It's not just funding that's the problem though. It's mismanagement and approach.

Germany and many other countries focus more on early diagnosis and proactive preventative care. Costs more upfront perhaps but, longer term, scrimping is a false economy.

I have found and signed the petition to parliament about this - searching “protect the NHS” will take you to it.

Healthcare is purely ideological. If we want it we pay for it through taxation and scrutinise it to make sure the taxpayer is getting value for money. There is enough wealth in this country, we just have to leverage it and of course make choices about what we are and are not willing to provide on the NHS. We don’t have to pay for everything everyone wants, but we should provide what is necessary. Freedom from is as important as freedom to. Freedom from ill health and from anxiety about ill health is worth paying for through taxation.

We don’t have to pay for everything everyone wants, but we should provide what is necessary

As long as that includes reconstruction after mastectomy. Because i have a feeling if only providing what is necessary gets mooted it will be women having to make the sacrifices as usual.

You’re absolutely right MercyBooth about women making the sacrifices. Personally I would consider reconstruction after mastectomy part of cancer care.

I agree @DaisiesandButtercups All part of the care package for cancer.

And dont forget the London GP practices quietly being bought up by the American insurance company - Centene.

@MaskingForIt you might support another healthcare system but do you want the NHS to be owned by American companies? Because that's what happening!

And Boris the lying fucker stood in parliament and said "the NHS is not for sale" Yeah seems like everything else he says - he didn't actually mean it!

I have signed. I have a stoma which requires quite a bit of medication and equipment. This would be scary, including under the French system.

And Boris the lying fucker stood in parliament and said "the NHS is not for sale" Yeah seems like everything else he says - he didn't actually mean it!

And people keep voting for him 🤷🏻‍♀️

Are you affiliated to EveryDoctor, OP?

@MaskingForIt

And Boris the lying fucker stood in parliament and said "the NHS is not for sale" Yeah seems like everything else he says - he didn't actually mean it!

And people keep voting for him 🤷🏻‍♀️

I know! I've come to the conclusion that those people are either A - thick or B - dont give a shiny shit about anyone.

@MissyB1

And dont forget the London GP practices quietly being bought up by the American insurance company - Centene.

@MaskingForIt you might support another healthcare system but do you want the NHS to be owned by American companies? Because that's what happening!

And Boris the lying fucker stood in parliament and said "the NHS is not for sale" Yeah seems like everything else he says - he didn't actually mean it!

twitter.com/BernieG95778509/status/1416487254902595594

Tweet listing the inroads into the NHS

If people want to buy into it, that is because it is a viable system.

We need to fight to protect it.

As others have said - WE are paying for it through taxes etc, We have a right to maintain it in a way that benefits us all.

And you are spot on - He is a lying fucker!

@Gilead

I have signed. I have a stoma which requires quite a bit of medication and equipment. This would be scary, including under the French system.

Contact your MP, too - especially if they are Tory. Let them know that you don't support selling off the system.

The German system has its failings. If you are self employed you have to join the private healthcare system. The premiums start reasonably enough when you are young and fit but increase over time. There is an assumption that all self-employed people earn great money, but that is not true, especially at the moment. My DP had to register as unemployed last year so that the state would cover his premiums while he had no work, and now he has taken an employed position so he can change to a state (gesetzlich) insurer. Friends of mine who had been self employed could not afford to retire in Germany due to the healthcare issue, they moved to France where all this is covered for seniors.

So in short - defend the NHS - free at the point of use, it’s an absolute treasure.

Is Keir Starmer shouting about this at PMQs? What about Lib Dems, SNPs?

Genuine question.

No they fcking aren't Mouse*!

And one MP was whinging about it so I asked him why he wasn't;t speaking up, especially as we were on the same side. Had no response - but he was getting some flack, so probably not answering people.