Dogs in Restaurants

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Took my mum out to lunch today. It was a nice enough place-£25 per head.
Have expectations changed with regard to dogs in restaurants? There were four other tables in our section and three had a dog with them.
Two of them barked at least three times during the meal. One jumped up at a waitress carrying puddings to another table, paws on her apron. One jumped up at the table wanting to be fed. One was petted by another waitress who then went straight to a table to take orders without washing hands. One was lying in the way so that I had to ask the owner to move it to allow my mother to get through with her Walker.
We had a dog when I was a child. He never went to a restaurant. What about people with allergies?
Is it okay that they do? Do I need to get over myself? I tried to compare to children. I expect my children to cause no disturbance to others at a restaurant and to stay at the table. We expected this even when they were little and actually rarely went to restaurants anyway.

Fran, on this thread, people would say the snickers eater was entitled to their snickers bar and the other person who's allergic to nuts should just get on another plane! 🙄

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

I think I'll find a cat and then approach my colleague - who is allergic to cat hair to the point it induces an asthma attack - and rub the cat in her face and say "WhY doNT yOu JUsT waLK aWAy"

Has someone really done that to you? Found a dog and approached you and rubbed it in your face? If so I hope you called the police?!

@Rosewaterblossom lol indeed!

Still waiting to hear people's opinions on cats in restaurants!

[quote FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]@LST no such situation occurred thank god 🤣 that was a response to someone who said it's up to allergy sufferers to walk away from the allergen.

Fuck knows what she think hay fever sufferers do in the summer [/quote]
It does seem the pollen is inescapable this year. My DS9 is really suffering. He's enjoyed the rain we've had as it's kept it mostly at bay!

Because dogs are not humans! They are not your human children - crikey how many times! nobody has said they were

A child being in a restaurant is not anyone's "problem" because they're a human that needs feeding human food, which is what the restaurant supplies. children often cause problems and inconveniences for other parties in pubs and restaurants. If you don't recognise this, you don't know enough about the situation to be commenting on it

Dogs are there as a convenience for their owners and mostly get in other people's way. Dogs are not a 'convenience', they are sentient beings, and they do not mostly get in other people's way - they generally sit quietly, or the staff have a word

This is such a typical entitlement monopolised by many dog owners - thinking your fur baby has nearly the same rights as a human being, and expecting people to give the same consideration to it as an actual child. There's nothing entitled about taking a dog to an establishment that advertises itself as dog friendly. There is something entitled about going to a dog friendly place and being pissed off that your need to be dog free is not being catered for

@rantymcrantface66 no, it was in response to someone who said it's up to allergy sufferers to walk away from their allergies!

@LST my sister went to a fancy cosmetic surgeon and got an anti hay fever injection in her arse for £90 and she says it's cleared right up! They do it on kids too I think. Expensive but probably worth it

[quote FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]@Rosewaterblossom lol indeed!

Still waiting to hear people's opinions on cats in restaurants![/quote]
Our local pub/restaurant has a resident cat. He isn't allowed in the kitchen but sit on the bar.

Well. I say restaurant. There is a bar area and a if you want food area and it's typical pub grub..

[quote FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]@rantymcrantface66 no, it was in response to someone who said it's up to allergy sufferers to walk away from their allergies! [/quote]
It was a rather ridiculous bit of hyperbole to compare the dog in pub situation. They can't walk away from someone running a cat in their face but they can choose to avoid the cat cafe. Those with hay fever mostly have to take anti histamines and live with it but they could avoid a beer garden situated next to a large field of rape or one where the grass is freshly cut

[quote FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]@LST my sister went to a fancy cosmetic surgeon and got an anti hay fever injection in her arse for £90 and she says it's cleared right up! They do it on kids too I think. Expensive but probably worth it[/quote]
Legit? Wow. I might have to look into that because he has been in tears most days this year and it's been horrible not knowing what to do for him.

Because dogs are not humans!
And? Many actually value animals more than humans.

I don't see why I have to tolerate annoying brats because they are humans but my sweet, quiet well behaved dog shouldn't be allowed in any public eating place because they're an animal.

You're the one with the entitlement issue! I'm in no way saying that dogs should be permitted in ALL restaurants. As a matter of fact, I'm glad some do not allow dogs, but I'm also glad some places welcome them.

Dog owner, love them. Dogs in cafes, yes of course. Dogs in restaurants, no.

@TheFoundations, it's the same principle! No one needs to eat out, a disabled person doesn't need to nor does an allergenic and everything in between. People with allergies don't CHOOSE to have them just like disabled people don't choose to be either.
You wouldn't tell a disabled person to go elsewhere because they are disabled because they don't choose to be. But you tell people with allergies to go elsewhere, even though they don't choose them either.

I'm not talking about your average country pub where you expect dog walkers, I'm talking about restaurants in general where people go to relax and have a nice evening. Apparently a need to sit with a dog trumps someone (who's paying for a meal also) when a dog can be left at home.

[quote Rosewaterblossom]@TheFoundations, it's the same principle! No one needs to eat out, a disabled person doesn't need to nor does an allergenic and everything in between. People with allergies don't CHOOSE to have them just like disabled people don't choose to be either.
You wouldn't tell a disabled person to go elsewhere because they are disabled because they don't choose to be. But you tell people with allergies to go elsewhere, even though they don't choose them either.

I'm not talking about your average country pub where you expect dog walkers, I'm talking about restaurants in general where people go to relax and have a nice evening. Apparently a need to sit with a dog trumps someone (who's paying for a meal also) when a dog can be left at home. [/quote]
No it's the owners decision to allow the dog in there. If they choose to be dog friendly then that is their right.

Fran, on this thread, people would say the snickers eater was entitled to their snickers bar and the other person who's allergic to nuts should just get on another plane
Hardly, because they're not a like for like comparison.

If a pub/cafe/venue is dog friendly then it's up to people whether they visit or take their business elsewhere to venues that don't allow dogs. The venue is allowed to make their business decisions about dogs, just as pubs are about whether they want to have children and families, or remain adult only.

An aeroplane is a method of transport that serves refreshments. If someone has an allergy it's fairly simple to not serve nuts for that flight and still offer the same service: to fly people somewhere.

The idea that businesses should ignore a viable market area that would give them regular custom because some people who might visit infrequently have dog allergies makes no sense. Why would anyone business say we've identified a gap in the market that would be profitable for us, but we won't do that and build our brand and reputation in that area because every few months someone with a dog allergy might want to have a meal. That one table every few months should be prioritised over a steady stream of different customers most days?

[quote FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]@TheFoundations allergies can be debilitating - why should allergy sufferers be the one to walk away? Would you tell someone with a peanut allergy not to get on a plane because somebody has brought a Snickers on board?or would you expect the Snickers eater to be the decent person?[/quote]
So, all Snickers bars should be banned in confined spaces?

I don't think that's the solution. I think the best thing would be if there were 2 planes. The Snicker plane and the non-Snicker plane. Then you could check beforehand and make sure you got on the plane that suited you. It's almost like that situation with pubs, really. You know, the one where some people don't like dogs, so they need to choose a pub that doesn't have any dogs in it?

If there were no other options, then I expect that the pub would take measures to ensure they got money out of dog owner's pockets, and non-dog owner's pockets. And I would expect the plane to have a Snicker free area, if it wanted the custom of those allergic to peanuts.

I don't think that nuts should be disallowed on planes or dogs from pubs, because of a small minority of allergy sufferers.

I'm still waiting for how those with dog allergies would cope with a guy at the next table wearing a jumper with dog hair. Would you tell him to get out of the restaurant because you have an allergy and it outrageous they could come in with one dog hair on their clothing and not considered allergic people.

Same on a train, a plane, the cinema....how do you cope?

@MrsSkylerWhite

Dog owner, love them. Dogs in cafes, yes of course. Dogs in restaurants, no.

That's an odd blanket rule. Most cafes have open cooking areas next to seating and are small and quite cramped. I'd expect many cafes to be non dog friendly for that reason. Some restaurants are very pristine and formal and in maybe a city centre 1 Dogs don't really fit there but a nice relaxed country restaurant on a popular walking rouble with plenty space, why not?

So, all Snickers bars should be banned in confined spaces?

I don't think that's the solution.

Well luckily many places take a more sympathetic view of allergy sufferers than you do as planes, schools, hospital wards, and many places that are confined are nut-free and have been for many years

The fur isn't the allergen, much to people's disbelief

@vivainsomnia

I'm still waiting for how those with dog allergies would cope with a guy at the next table wearing a jumper with dog hair. Would you tell him to get out of the restaurant because you have an allergy and it outrageous they could come in with one dog hair on their clothing and not considered allergic people.

Same on a train, a plane, the cinema....how do you cope?

I believe it's the saliva many are allergic to?

However a few hairs is not the same as an actual dog with tens of thousands of hairs.

HTH

I'm laughing my head off at the idea of airlines funding two planes just do someone can have a chocolate bar 🤣😂🤣 sounds realistic 🥴

[quote Rosewaterblossom]@TheFoundations, it's the same principle! No one needs to eat out, a disabled person doesn't need to nor does an allergenic and everything in between. People with allergies don't CHOOSE to have them just like disabled people don't choose to be either.
You wouldn't tell a disabled person to go elsewhere because they are disabled because they don't choose to be. But you tell people with allergies to go elsewhere, even though they don't choose them either.

I'm not talking about your average country pub where you expect dog walkers, I'm talking about restaurants in general where people go to relax and have a nice evening. Apparently a need to sit with a dog trumps someone (who's paying for a meal also) when a dog can be left at home. [/quote]
OK. So, given that there are a lot of things that people can be allergic to, how are restaurants supposed to deal with them all? You're saying that no restaurants should have/use any allergens, right? It's the responsibility of the establishment to ensure that nobody with an allergy suffers a reaction on their premises?

If this thread has taught me nothing else it's to remember to ask when I make bookings if a restaurant is dog friendly or not. And give it a wide swerve if it is!