Is this really news? Only Fans

[Youngatheart00]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-57491149

On the BBC top read section. Should we really be encouraging this level of vacuousness and as a viable employment route - selling your body online for bored Middle Aged men? Appalled if I’m honest that the BBC seem to be promoting this.

@queenmeadhbh Why are you living near sex workers if you have a problem with the clientele around that area?

There’s a very fine line between empowerment and validation.

Could females could earn the same money elsewhere, not commoditising their bodies?

If the answer is no, perhaps it’s this issue we need to tackle first.

What exactly is only fans

[quote Fangsalot89]@queenmeadhbh Why are you living near sex workers if you have a problem with the clientele around that area?[/quote]
I'm going to assume that @queenmeadhbh is talking about Holbeck, in which case it was an area full of families until it was turned into a legal red light district. There are no police there to help you at night. It's a terrible place to live. It's not about disliking sex workers. It's about what this permissive attitude does to society and what it does to women.

[quote Fangsalot89]@queenmeadhbh Why are you living near sex workers if you have a problem with the clientele around that area?[/quote]
So if it were legal everywhere, where would women go? The world would just be a world where women are for sale so all women can be approached? Which is what is happening.

As for clientele that makes me feel sick. It demonstrates exactly my point about women being consumables. Do you also refer to people who buy organs as “clients”?

Quite. If it's such a brilliant career choice, why aren't more men doing it?

-Women don't want to want men masturbate/men are more willing to pay for porn of a specific person
-As a result, men make less money as fewer subscribers
-There are men who create explicit content, also couples. Less so than solo women, but they exist

@queenmeadhbh No but I do refer to my clients as such an I’m a private cleaner. So make of that what you will.

I think there’s a lot of judgemental people on this thread when it retrospect the sex industry is as old as time and a lot of women now on OF are making money out of it on their own terms.
We’ve been glorifying vacuous wastes of spaces like the Kardashians for over a decade now, influencers and the such like. Instagram is full to the brim of women using it to make money and gain followers. I really don’t see why this is worse or being picked up on as if it’s a travesty now to be honest with you.

@ScreamingMeMe
Male porn stars make far less than women and predominantly always have done. Very few people want to see an aggressive looking erect cock vs round jiggly boobs / inoffensive upstairs-downstairs bits.

Plus the main clientele for these sorts of things tend to be men anyway who are turned on by visuals. Women need more.

Having seen the way women get treated in porn nowadays, I should bloody well hope they get paid more!

So you think women and men are just different then? You don't think there's any societal aspects (I'm not having a go, genuinely interested(.

@ScreamingMeMe Could you elaborate on what you mean by “you don’t think there’s any societal aspects” please?

[quote Fangsalot89]@queenmeadhbh No but I do refer to my clients as such an I’m a private cleaner. So make of that what you will.

I think there’s a lot of judgemental people on this thread when it retrospect the sex industry is as old as time and a lot of women now on OF are making money out of it on their own terms.
We’ve been glorifying vacuous wastes of spaces like the Kardashians for over a decade now, influencers and the such like. Instagram is full to the brim of women using it to make money and gain followers. I really don’t see why this is worse or being picked up on as if it’s a travesty now to be honest with you.[/quote]
Well yes, clients of a person providing a cleaning service are clients. Unless you’re going to hit me with a drip feed that you’re cleaning their genitals for their sexual gratification that is obviously not the same thing as the sex industry.

No judgement at all from me of women in the sex trade. My judgement is reserved exclusively for the men who exploit them.

I read somewhere that the average only fans content creator makes £102 per month.

Imagine taking all your clothes off and indulging in some old man’s fetishes (footage of which can be recorded and end up on any porn site on the internet with zero liability accepted by only fans) - for circa £23 per week and then claiming you feel EMPOWERED.

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[quote Fangsalot89]@ScreamingMeMe Could you elaborate on what you mean by “you don’t think there’s any societal aspects” please?[/quote]
Misogyny, patriarchy, millenia of women being seen as possessions and objects.

It is an interesting point that women don't consume pornography etc in the volumes that men do, and whether that's just in our nature or not.

@Kitkatchunkyplease

I'm so surprised by the responses here. Op yanbu. There are children on that site selling their images to bored middle aged men. BBC normalising the use of the site, on news beat, aimed at teens and young people, is pretty shit in my opinion.

When you say children do you mean under 18 or someone else's child on that site?

@iBrows I didn’t realise there was a minimum threshold for empowerment.
If you make thousands a month then it’s ok to claim such but if you earn less then it’s not?
I’m trying to work out where the line is.

ihatethefuckingmuffin

Under 18s,it was in the news a couple of weeks ago.

@RedLemon

It bothers people because it promotes the objectification and commodification of women’s bodies. It magnifies the impression in society that women are primarily for men to look at and act upon rather than, in fact, being thinking and feeling human beings who deserve respect and to be valued in their own right. “My body, my choice” doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it exists as a “choice” in a quite deeply misogynistic society.

This ^

@ScreamingMeMe I mean women like porn, sure, I’m just almost certain it’s not consumed in the same quantities as it is by men because we aren’t inherently built that way.
Also, if you do take into account the treatment of women throughout history from men plus the seedy culture the sex industry is made out to have through and through, it isn’t a wonder most women swerve it inherently.

@lakesummer That’s a really interesting (and alarming) comment, especially for me growing up with the generations that consider sexting, nudes etc “normal”.

@InsideNumberNine

Could females could earn the same money elsewhere, not commoditising their bodies?

If the answer is no, perhaps it’s this issue we need to tackle first.

Young women are outearning young men.

@Kitkatchunkyplease
That's weird because when I opened an OF account I had to provide photographic documents to show I was over 18 along with a none mobile phone utility bill.
I paused the account for a while, and cos of the lack of activity I had to produce my passport again.

It's not one of those sites you click the I'm over 18 thing and you're automatically in.

@iBrows

I read somewhere that the average only fans content creator makes £102 per month.

Imagine taking all your clothes off and indulging in some old man’s fetishes (footage of which can be recorded and end up on any porn site on the internet with zero liability accepted by only fans) - for circa £23 per week and then claiming you feel EMPOWERED.

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Bearing in mind the major sums the top 1% are earning on Only Fans, that pushes the average up a lot.

You're probably a lot less than 100 pound average from the bottom 90%.

[quote ihatethefuckingmuffin]@Kitkatchunkyplease
That's weird because when I opened an OF account I had to provide photographic documents to show I was over 18 along with a none mobile phone utility bill.
I paused the account for a while, and cos of the lack of activity I had to produce my passport again.

It's not one of those sites you click the I'm over 18 thing and you're automatically in.[/quote]
Yes it was in the news about children using grandparents passports etc. Not that I know how of could get round that, but overall pretty grim

The attitude of 'she's in control and being paid what's the harm' makes sense on paper, but we live in a society where someone is encouraged into this but in the years to come, we'll still judge and it'll still haunt them into their next employment opportunity or when they have kids etc.

It is misogyny dressed up as feminism an empowerment no?