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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think a lot of people are completely stupid?

294 replies

blaisealex · 19/06/2021 19:08

Someone posted a photo on a Facebook group of a Fabulosa product that is mean to keep artificial lawn clean and smelling nice. Said product is rammed full of toxic chemicals that are harmful to humans, animals and the environment. Hundreds of comments of people praising the product, tagging their mates in it. Lots of people going to be buying it, damaging the environment, probably harming their cats and dogs in the process. So bloody stupid. This cleaning craze of fabulosa and zeflora is beyond stupid.

Saw another post where people where complaining about paper straws and posting links of where others could purchase plastic straws. I mean, sure, I preferred plastic straws. They didn't go soggy and disintegrate half way through a drink but really, it's a small sacrifice to make. It's stupid and selfish.

Spoke to several people recently, ages varying between 20s and late 50s. None of them aware of who the suffragettes were.

So AIBU to think that so many people really are just stupid?

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3Britnee · 20/06/2021 06:54

@blaisealex

Someone posted a photo on a Facebook group of a Fabulosa product that is mean to keep artificial lawn clean and smelling nice. Said product is rammed full of toxic chemicals that are harmful to humans, animals and the environment. Hundreds of comments of people praising the product, tagging their mates in it. Lots of people going to be buying it, damaging the environment, probably harming their cats and dogs in the process. So bloody stupid. This cleaning craze of fabulosa and zeflora is beyond stupid.

Saw another post where people where complaining about paper straws and posting links of where others could purchase plastic straws. I mean, sure, I preferred plastic straws. They didn't go soggy and disintegrate half way through a drink but really, it's a small sacrifice to make. It's stupid and selfish.

Spoke to several people recently, ages varying between 20s and late 50s. None of them aware of who the suffragettes were.

So AIBU to think that so many people really are just stupid?

Yanbu, at all.
CreamOrange · 20/06/2021 07:02

So true; everything you've said about the UK is spot on.

CreamOrange · 20/06/2021 07:04

@famousforwrongreason

Winkywonkydonkey · 20/06/2021 07:05

@TurquoiseLemur I just try to remind myself that for them, it is far less real. My grandparents were part of the war effort, they fought, they suffered through air raids etc. It was part of our family to know these things. My boomer parents remember growing up with rationing until the mid-50s, if they caught my siblings and me wasting food they read us the riot act, and we grew up with their stories about how hard it was for our grandparents. But if your grandparents are 60 now then none of that will be particularly salient for you. They also don't have to sit through war documentaries and films like we did when we were little because of on demand television. So if they zone out in the few weeks where it's covered at school then I guess they aren't particularly aware of these things.

FleetwoodRaincoat · 20/06/2021 07:06

I think there are two factors at play here.

  1. People are far more selfish and only interested in themselves/immediate family.
  1. General knowledge has declined due to schools having such a rigid syllabus, and a lack of exposure to general info. Eg when I was young, there were only 4 channels on TV so you tended to watch what was on. So you might catch a programme about natural history or the royal family etc. These days when you can pick and choose what to watch, people seem to stay within their comfort zone.

I think that general knowledge in younger people is very poor - my DCs are 25 and 19 and not stupid, but do lack a lot of knowledge in many areas.

LadyOfLittleLeisure · 20/06/2021 07:10

@massiveportion

Yes OP. You're so special and clever and unique. Thank you for blessing this plebeian corner of the internet with your knowledge and wisdom. 🙏
🤣 On a more serious note, those people you think are 'stupid' probably have a type of knowledge or skills you know nothing about. I know a woman who probably knows very little about the suffrage movement, gets her words muddled up etc but she can make her own clothes, cook amazingly, and landscape gardens by herself. Sorry, but your post comes across very superior.
LadyOfLittleLeisure · 20/06/2021 07:12

@massiveportion sorry your post doesn't come across superior, the OP's does. Can't make myself clear this morning!

Diverseopinions · 20/06/2021 07:17

I don't think people are stupid but I think they have a limited number of sources from which to derive their information. And history and science are not discussed by everybody.

If you live among university-educated people, then, probably, at some social meeting, a woman complaining about some unfairness at work, in the canteen or gym or something, that is directed at women users, say the women's as opposed to the men's cloakrooms, will be met with the clichéd, jokey comment: ' So you're going to chain yourself to the railings/canteen counter, on Monday morning?!'. That way, references to history slip frequently into conversation/consciousness - even though few will have taken the trouble to read up more on the Suffragettes.

Actually, the Suffragettes are often referenced when Year 11s are studying the GCSE English Language play: ' An Inspector Calls', set in 1912. I could say parents should know this and have mentioned it, if they bothered to take an interest in their kids' homework. It's a bit elitist to call people stupid. Two things are certain, people have different outlets from which to get their information and news. It's not stupid not to know something which you haven't been told about.

Yes, we do trust big organisations, such as government and trading standards to keep our products safe for use. We don't investigate each single one, ourselves. I just read about Zoflora, and invented in 1922, it enjoyed an enormous surge in sales in 2018, when Mrs Hinch recommended its use. Actually, I would say that it is odd that Mrs Hinch and her team don't research products and find out about nasties and scares, which might make it not a good idea to endorse something. But maybe that is because there is a matter of opinion and relative degrees about it. Maybe many people think that products would not be on sale and passed fit for use, if dangerous. That would be a reasonable assumption. After all, we are told to trust, what do they call it, 'peer-reviewed scientific evidence' about vaccination etc, so why not trust trading standards when it comes to cleaning products?

But, then again, perhaps rather than saying people are stupid, it would be truer to recognize that we all get more information from social media platforms, these days, and maybe advice is not so thoroughly researched as it used to be when we gained information from columns in daily newspapers, or those programmes which come on TV after the six o'clock news. Maybe that is why harmful garden products get recommended on social media, whereas housekeeping articles in the magazines we all used to buy would probably have been more painstakingly researched. So blame the internet and it's lack of scrutiny and policing, rather than people being stupid.

Anyway, experts are always changing their minds about whether washing at low temperatures is enough to kill bed bugs/germs, or not. Some people trust that a cleaning product wouldn't have been passed by the government agencies as fit for sale, if very harmful to the sit we and our pets breathe. Some people may even want to be safe and think that the flowery smell of Zoflora means that it isn't bleachy or abrasive, as it doesn't smell in the same way.

If you are going to wash and reuse plastic drinking straws, then you are doing your best to save the planet. Perhaps some people genuinely can't get on with the paper ones. I think the problem has been fast food outlets always selling drinks with a straw which then gets binned with the carton: why can't people drink straight from the cup? Save paper in the paper straws too? But the disposable culture is part of the times we live in, and both partners working rather than sixty years ago when women tended to stay at home preparing meals and packed snacks, and takeaways were a rare treat, rather than an essential way to save time because work takes up so much of it, and kids need to be collected and office targets met. People are allowed choice. Some people drive and run a car and yet congratulate themselves on being ecologically-friendly. In London, we have good public transport. You probably don't need a car.

Maybe Grade 5 at GCSE sounds low, to some people, but don't forget many young people can't study peacefully at home, have to care for younger siblings, or move from house to house and different relatives to fit in with family plans. Some even work on Saturday and Sunday to help out the family budget. So, it's mean and not very considered to suggest that people are stupid.

GCandproud · 20/06/2021 07:23

Well, the comment about the "suffregands" (what the fuck are they?) has made my day.
OP, I think you are right that people are thicker and it's almost a badge of honour to be dumb (nobody likes experts etc). Shows like Love Island etc make me despair.
I agree with you about the environmental stuff. We're going to destroy the planet soon but it's okay as long as the Mrs Hinch fans have a nice-smelling house and lawn.

AmIPeriOrAreYouJustAnnoying · 20/06/2021 07:23

Agreed OP!

I hardly think the Suffragettes went around throwing themselves under horses, so that later generations of women could have the right to be here today, sprinkling zoflora all over our plastic lawns now did they?!

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spanielstail · 20/06/2021 07:25

I think stupidity has become celebrated. All these reality,only way is Essex type things how say things like " red top newspapers? I thought red tops came on milk" or "are pandas real" or some other complete nonsense that other low intelligence people find amusing to watch.

Secondly intelligence is locked in the UK. The kids that focus and learn at school are "geeks and boffins" rather than the cool kids.

ginandbearit · 20/06/2021 07:35

Just watched a young woman on Instagram ...a yarn and knitting person ..on her "values" reel struggle to express in any coherent way why her site was a safe space for all ..despite a deep conversation with friends about the hateful "viscious anti trans " JK Rowling ..admitting she didnt know what JKR actually said but the Harry Potter knitting patterns were problematic ...gawd it was desperate to watch an obviously well meaning young woman not have a clue what she was talking about .

Diverseopinions · 20/06/2021 07:38

ginandbearit

I like your pun on knitting:''reel' struggle to express in any coherent way....'. : very imaginative.

Lex345 · 20/06/2021 07:38

Interesting examples of what constitutes intelligence, is Zoflora on the Mensa test now?Grin

I agree with the PP that stupidity is just more visible now, people play out their entire lives on social media. Most of us have had our Frank Spencer moments, but before social media, it wouldn't be filmed/photographed and be so easily shared globally. There is a definite over share culture. I am also not quite sure why it is necessary to immortalise the beans on toast you had on Wednesday on Instagram, but perhaps I am just old.

Bluethrough · 20/06/2021 07:40

@spanielstail

I think stupidity has become celebrated. All these reality,only way is Essex type things how say things like " red top newspapers? I thought red tops came on milk" or "are pandas real" or some other complete nonsense that other low intelligence people find amusing to watch.

Secondly intelligence is locked in the UK. The kids that focus and learn at school are "geeks and boffins" rather than the cool kids.

^This

Anyone who is smart is denigrated, same as we get threads that hates anyone who does sport - runners on pavements, cyclists on the road.

Its all driven by jealously, by the inadequate

RaspberryCoulis · 20/06/2021 07:42

@Bluebird2021

So hold on…..those fabulosa data sheets are no different than for any other household cleaner! Cif, febreeze,flash all the household favourites….they are just the same and we ALL know cleaning products should be used with caution
But there are other options. I'm a big fan on the Stardrops products - cheap as chips, their all purpose cleaner (the orange/yellow one) is basically just soap.

I do agree though that people are either thick or don't care, and there is a big crossover between the two groups.

Ylvamoon · 20/06/2021 08:02

What an interesting thread.
I agree OP, general knowledge in this country is very poor.
It's a combination of poor teaching at school, to much screen time and the use of harmful cleaning chemicals.

I the phrase "mad as a hatter" should be instantly replaced by "crazy as a cleaner" ! 😉

AliceLivesHere · 20/06/2021 08:03

@Fromage

For a short while, I worked in the emergency department of a hospital and there I learned I will never cease to be surprised at the potential stupidity of your average human.
Please share with us, could do with some light relief
Diverseopinions · 20/06/2021 08:04

I think citing 'thick' behaviour, which is really just uninformed behaviour, is shortsighted. Mumsnet is a forum for everybody, that's its merit and its appeal. As posters on other threads have commented, sometimes posters come together to support one another in a spectacular and possibly life-changing way. If you alienate sections of the posters by saying "You're thick if you don't know about the Suffragettes", then you are repelling part of the audience for your own views and influence. You are limiting the power Mumsnet has to be a force for good. You are also being cliquey and obviously elitist and that looks ugly
Surely we all want to be inclusive and broad-minded?

. There are a lot of well-educated participants on MN, but knowledge is contained within groups and it's no particular cleverness to know about certain things which might seem obvious to you, but not to others. Maybe, as history has marched on, there is less consciousness of the Suffragettes and it would be more surprising if other civil rights leaders, such as Martin Luther King, had never been heard of. Perhaps Suffragettes are not very much covered in school. ( I personally don't think now is a great time in history to laud and magnify the past achievements gained from violent and attention-seeking protest. Poor King's horse and jockey. I've had enough of violence as a way to gain the ends).

MarshmallowAra · 20/06/2021 08:13

We covered suffragettes at school (in the 80s), I wonder if it's been dropped from the curriculum.

MarshmallowAra · 20/06/2021 08:15

( I personally don't think now is a great time in history to laud and magnify the past achievements gained from violent and attention-seeking protest. Poor King's horse and jockey. I've had enough of violence as a way to gain the ends).

When we were taught it the emphasis was not on any of the extreme things ... But on the overall movement. It would be disrespectful in the extreme to associate the entire movement with an extreme act.

MarshmallowAra · 20/06/2021 08:18

Poor King's horse

Not sure why this is supposed to be such an exceptional or shocking event .... Racehorses and injured and killed in the name of entertainment and money making in the present day, without any extremists for causes being involved.

MarshmallowAra · 20/06/2021 08:20

to laud and magnify the past achievements gained from violent and attention-seeking protest.

I've only just fully absorbed this ....
You think suffrage for women and universal suffrage was gained from violent & attention seeking protest??!!!

That's incredible.

Isolated acts like that most likely set back any achievements, rather than gained them.

TurquoiseLemur · 20/06/2021 08:21

[quote Winkywonkydonkey]@TurquoiseLemur I just try to remind myself that for them, it is far less real. My grandparents were part of the war effort, they fought, they suffered through air raids etc. It was part of our family to know these things. My boomer parents remember growing up with rationing until the mid-50s, if they caught my siblings and me wasting food they read us the riot act, and we grew up with their stories about how hard it was for our grandparents. But if your grandparents are 60 now then none of that will be particularly salient for you. They also don't have to sit through war documentaries and films like we did when we were little because of on demand television. So if they zone out in the few weeks where it's covered at school then I guess they aren't particularly aware of these things.[/quote]
On the other hand (and I know these aren't within the budgets of everybody) many schools nowadays organize trips to the Normandy beaches, Auschwitz, etc. And I'm not a historian or a history teacher but I have got the impression (via two of my children, now in their 20s, and their contemporaries) that the history syllabus at secondary school nowadays is much more likely to cover the rise of Nazism, the Second World War, etc than when I was at secondary school in the early 80s.

I do think that far too many young people are channelled towards university. People who aren't academically inclined. University isn't for everybody and I fail to see how a 3rd class degree from a 3rd class university (there's one near us) is going to be of much benefit to the student. That's an issue for another time but. . .I do find it shocking that something as monumental and as horrific as the Second World War can somehow be zoned out of by a large number of people. It's hardly a niche subject.

Chumleymouse · 20/06/2021 08:23

I always thought suffragette was a city from a David Bowie song ? 🤔

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