To ask you to guess which one is female?

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Ridiculous

It’s interesting I have identical twins. One hates pink the other loves it. Raised in the same house with the same societal influences.

@Coronawireless

No problem if the girl is pink. Lots of girls like pink. It’s a stereotypical girl colour which is exactly why many girls - who like being girls - like pink. There is nothing wrong with being a girl or liking to associate yourself with stereotypically girl things.

If the girl character is presented as only existing to please the boys and not a person in her own right that is different. I also have a problem with a girl character being better than the boys at everything because this is unrealistic. Also shows where the girls put down the boys all the time - tiresome.
I like shows where both boys and girls have something to bring to the table and both matter as characters.

Pink? Cant get excited (unless I had a bad case of internalised misogyny).

There is also nothing wrong with girls NOT conforming to stereotype. Asking for representation for those girls is so far from internalised misogyny I’m amazed you don’t see it.

The stereotype came first. It use to be pink for a boy and blue for a girl. Pink was closer to red, the colour of blood, so considered more masculine. Now it’s switched. Sure, lots proof girls might like pink, but lots don’t, can they have some representation too? And what about boys who like pink? Why do boys get a whole range of colours and girls just get pink and purple

Why did it switch? I suspect because girls showed a preference for pink over boys.

I only have boys so I can’t talk about what’s available for girls. I know there are often threads on here moaning about boring boys clothes on a limited range of colours whereas girls had much more variety etc etc. It never bothered me. I dressed my toddlers in all sorts of colours and can’t remember having much trouble sourcing brightly coloured things.

Cartoons that were apparently made with boys in mind.
Smurfs- one smurfette.
Powerpups-one dog
Please explain to me why cartoon creators don't think girls like elfish creatures or dogs.
It's not just cartoons either. Even adult films use largely male main characters. Are you saying women only watch Rom coms?

Pmsl that last comment sounded so much like my son. ‘So youre saying....... and then it comes out with a load of nonsense I never said not inferred.

I’m not really saying anything other than it doesn’t bother me. There are a billion things higher on my list than the colour pink and under representation of female characters in a train cartoon.

Brightly coloured clothes that are unisex are a rarity these days.
And assumptions are made on which colours are ok for boys. DS gets confused for a girl all the time because he wears yellow and orange.

They are not a rarity at all!!!! Where are you looking?

Is the orange one also a girl?

I just went onto H&M, checked in boys for baby wear and kids wear and selected all the colours that weren’t classically ‘boy’. It threw up over 500 garments in each category that were white, pink, purple, yellow, red etc etc.

@justanotherneighinparadise

The stereotype came first. It use to be pink for a boy and blue for a girl. Pink was closer to red, the colour of blood, so considered more masculine. Now it’s switched. Sure, lots proof girls might like pink, but lots don’t, can they have some representation too? And what about boys who like pink? Why do boys get a whole range of colours and girls just get pink and purple

Why did it switch? I suspect because girls showed a preference for pink over boys.

I only have boys so I can’t talk about what’s available for girls. I know there are often threads on here moaning about boring boys clothes on a limited range of colours whereas girls had much more variety etc etc. It never bothered me. I dressed my toddlers in all sorts of colours and can’t remember having much trouble sourcing brightly coloured things.

Are you taking the piss? A feminist that subscribes to gender stereotypes?! It changed because of fashion. You really think if girls had started complaining that they wanted pink to be used as a stereotype for their gender, men and boys would have happily moved over and swapped colours?!! Don’t be ridiculous.

My 16 year old daughter actually pointed this out to me a while ago. It was the 'body language' and the pose of the pink one which annoyed her.

Are you taking the piss? A feminist that subscribes to gender stereotypes?! It changed because of fashion. You really think if girls had started complaining that they wanted pink to be used as a stereotype for their gender, men and boys would have happily moved over and swapped colours?!! Don’t be ridiculous

I think you’re a little over invested in being right.

Firstly I really don't see the issue. Secondly so what. I think it's a shame we are moving from a time when people were nicely dressed and I think genre specific clothing is part of that.

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Posted too soon. I'm pro woman having great jobs, doing sport, equal chores at home etc but can't get hung up on stereotypes. Some exist for a reason.

www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2020-01-08/women-film-hollywood-gender-study#:~:text=Genre%20films%20remain%20the%20most%20likely%20to%20feature,diversity%20onscreen%20begins%20with%20diversity%20behind%20the%20scenes.

According to the study of the top 100 grossing domestic films of 2019, the percentage of films featuring a female protagonist increased to a recent historic high of 40%, up from 31% the previous year.

DS is up now so I won't be engaging further.

@justanotherneighinparadise

Are you taking the piss? A feminist that subscribes to gender stereotypes?! It changed because of fashion. You really think if girls had started complaining that they wanted pink to be used as a stereotype for their gender, men and boys would have happily moved over and swapped colours?!! Don’t be ridiculous

I think you’re a little over invested in being right.

Hey, you want to prove me wrong and show me the proof, go for it, but so far your assumptions about why it is the way it is have all been wrong. I suggest actually learning a little history, rather than making up your own explanations and believing them to be fact.

As one isolated thing in a vacuum then I can see why some posters are a bit "Meh, can't get worked up about this to be honest" however this is part of a drip, drip effect which conditions our kids very early on.

There's a primary school near me which had recently had what I assume are it's mission statements put up on the external walls which looks great. Then you see Kindness has a pink background board and Adventure has blue (this could be outing but hey ho). WTAF?!

@spanielstail

Posted too soon. I'm pro woman having great jobs, doing sport, equal chores at home etc but can't get hung up on stereotypes. Some exist for a reason.

Please do elaborate

@spanielstail

Firstly I really don't see the issue. Secondly so what. I think it's a shame we are moving from a time when people were nicely dressed and I think genre specific clothing is part of that.

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Male and female aren't "genres"... Children and adults can dress nicely without needing to be colour coded according to their sex.

The issue isn't with pink itself, it's with cartoons often having only 1 female character who is pink, and often drawn in an exaggerated way eg the long eyelashes, larger eyes, breathy voice etc.

No one would mention pink if it was used for male characters as much as for girls, and if the split of male/female characters was even.

Look at the recent cartoon Bluey for example for what can be done that is beyond stereotyping. Both my children adore it.

Also Skye (paw patrol) ‘but what do we do now?’ Argh, why so helpless!

@spanielstail

Posted too soon. I'm pro woman having great jobs, doing sport, equal chores at home etc but can't get hung up on stereotypes. Some exist for a reason.

Stereotyping is what kept women oppressed. Too stupid to be involved in politics, too emotional for important jobs, that WE WANT to skivvy to men because that’s how we were made etc. And still today, just look at rape cases - women can’t be trusted, we’re liars he’ll bent on revenge etc. There are real life consequences to stereotyping. Are you casual about racial stereotyping out of interest?

@justanotherneighinparadise

Ever wondered why 'little girls' love the colour pink?

I’m a GC feminist, I get it, but it’s a chicken and egg debate. Did the stereotype come before or after the obvious preference for the colour? Who knows!

Pink was a 'boys' colour. When people started dressing their girls in pink to emulate the the boys, people dropped the colour for boys like a hot stone.

Ditto for names like 'Kim' which was once a masculine name.

@Zenithal

I really couldn't give a fuck about this.

Yet here you are!

Can't see anything wrong with it. So what if she's pink? Would it be better if all girls' stuff was blue? It's just a colour.

Or maybe she's a trans train. I could believe that, in this world where people are ridiculously offended by everything.

To PP, there's no orange one.

There's one female character and she's pink. Complete with breathy voice and heart glasses