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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Has anyone else had this experience with the NHS?

55 replies

Orpheline · 14/06/2021 09:36

On the 27th of April, my GP fast-tracked me for an appointment at the hospital, which I should have had a year ago.
This was an emergency consultation, to be within 2 weeks. So a window up until 10th May. I was given the date May17th.
I've just received a letter, intended for my GP, by mistake. It states that I didn't attend my 10th of May appointment??!!
This implies that the hospital were working within the specified time-frame, and that I am a time-waster.
If the NHS are routinely behaving like this, it's going to skew the statistics for a) no-shows, and b) their performance.
I also resent the fact that they've used my name in their skewing of the facts. AIBU?

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riotlady · 14/06/2021 09:39

Sounds like a simple error, I would just call the hospital department in question and explain. What happened on the 17th, did you attend then?

Orpheline · 14/06/2021 09:39

Not to mention that my GP's correspondence is not up to date.

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Yellowbrickrobe · 14/06/2021 09:40

Yes, has happened to me on at least three occasions.

Anonmummyoftwo · 14/06/2021 09:41

Yes when my son was 1 he had a minor operation and I was told I’d get an appointment for a follow up within a few weeks. After 6 I rang my own gp as my son needed antibiotics and my gp said I’d missed his follow up with the hospital and I told him I never had a letter or call or anything because I would of made the appointment. My address and number hadn’t changed but they claim they sent letters. I put a complaint in via my gp but nothing came of it.

Orpheline · 14/06/2021 09:41

I did attend on the 17th, and have spoken to the hospital. They just said 'never mind'.

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maddening · 14/06/2021 09:42

So they are skewing the figures to make it look like their missing of the 10th May deadline for your appointment was due to your no show? That is out of order!

DentonsFringeArnottsWaistcoat · 14/06/2021 09:47

Yes, this kind of thing happens all of the time with the NHS. With various family members in need of a lot of care from the NHS, I would say we are ‘heavy users’ of their services and I’ve got quite experienced in dealing with hospitals and the ‘system’. I now double check everything. In fact I’m just about to make a call regarding a hospital appointment for my DF………

ToffeePennie · 14/06/2021 09:47

Yes I’ve had the same regarding a serious health issue. They claimed I never attended an appointment that I never got any correspondence for. My GP has written back and informed them that they need to see me, I got a letter stating they would “be in touch” and since then, nothing.
It’s potentially a life threatening issue with me, not a routine service or anything, so it’s very serious and no one seems to give a shit.
I have rang every monday since I got the notification and still nothing.

Wheresmybiscuit3 · 14/06/2021 09:49

No but my letter referral letter said if I hadn’t heard anything from the department to call them after X date... which is fine except I can’t get through. Recorded message states the department is closed and no facility to leave a message

DentonsFringeArnottsWaistcoat · 14/06/2021 09:54

Ps the current letter from the hospital, addressed to him, makes it clear that in the likely event of having to appointment, reminders and cancellations will only be made by text message. He’s bed bound, in a nursing home, and doesn’t own a mobile phone - and couldn’t physically use one even if he did - so I will be making sure they know that for when the inevitable reschedule happens. Getting him to the hospital involves paying for a nursing carer to go with him, getting use of a hoist, a special padding mattress due to his bed sores and making sure there are enough staff in outpatients to physically manoeuvre him if necessary - so we really can’t afford for him to get there only to be told the appointment was changed but no one informed us. All complicated by the fact I live 100 miles away.

DentonsFringeArnottsWaistcoat · 14/06/2021 10:02

Another example, I once had three appointments booked, one after the other, for a particular health issue. I had to book months in advance as there were no appointments sooner. Unfortunately when the time came, my return from a work trip abroad was unavoidably delayed and I realised I wouldn’t get back in time, so I used the NHS own text message cancellation service to cancel the appointments, so they wouldn’t be wasted, thinking I’d just have to rebook when I got back. I got back only to discover a letter informing I’d missed three appointments and so I’d been discharged from them etc etc. I made sure they were reinstated and the non shows were removed from my record, wasting both my time and NHS time. I just sort of accept that this kind of thing is going to happen now and prepare for it.

SpindleWhorl · 14/06/2021 10:09

Yes. And I complain to PALS every time now to get my records changed.

I'm buggered if I'm going to have 'time waster' on my file.

And I've heard some bizarre explanations, too. Basically it's a combination of human error and incompatible data systems.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 14/06/2021 10:16

It has happened to me, and I'm a GP! It's annoying and I complained to the hospital, though I doubt they took any notice.

FictionalCharacter · 14/06/2021 10:24

I’ve had that too, letters saying I didn’t show, when I hadn’t even been sent an appointment. I’ve also turned up for an appointment, only to be told it had been cancelled (first I heard of it).

Good idea @SpindleWhorl to ask for records to be changed, wish I’d thought of that.

Ontheblink · 14/06/2021 10:28

Happened 3/4 times, complained, made no difference.

Orpheline · 14/06/2021 11:12

It seems I'm not alone! I've had a few hiccups before, such as double-checking an appointment had been made, only to find it had been wiped. Even the receptionist was surprised, as she was the one that made it.
Turning up to see the consultant, to be told that it was his day off (at the private hospital next door). Having a poor woman being hoisted out of her bed, by 3 nurses, to undergo my tests, although I told them it was probably for me.
This just seems so calculated.

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OrangeSamphire · 14/06/2021 11:19

Yes this has happened to us frequently. And as an ex NHS employee who has seen how trusts fiddle about with data on waiting lists in order to appease their commissioners, I’d say this is calculated. It’s a systemic problem.

nzborn · 14/06/2021 11:41

I've turned up for appointments with my letter to be told l don't have an appointment, show them the letter they say they can clearly see why l think l have an appointment but l don't have one.
Also had a letter confirming l cancelled an appointment which l never did.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 14/06/2021 12:03

I'd say it's probably a mixture of cock up and of hospitals gaming the targets for waiting lists.

I don't think it's all deliberate - in my case, for example, I got marked as having failed to attend an appointment that was actually after the one I really attended (because a cancellation had come up so it had been moved forwards). It wouldn't make sense for the hospital to do that deliberately because it looks better for them for me to be seen sooner (as I was), than on my original appointment date. So I think mine was cock up, but I don't doubt that gaming goes on too. As @OrangeSamphire says, this is an inevitable consequence of unrealistic targets.

RagamuffinCat · 14/06/2021 12:04

I had this with an appointment and was discharged back to my GP. When I phoned the hospital to query it, they had an entirely different address to mine on file, and said they had sent a change of appointment letter to it, yet my original appointment letter from them had been sent to my correct address. Apparently my appointment had been bought forward to meet targets and I should have attended (which I would have if they had used the address my GP had referred me under and they had previously written to me under, rather than one I had never heard of).

user1497207191 · 14/06/2021 12:16

@SpindleWhorl

Yes. And I complain to PALS every time now to get my records changed.

I'm buggered if I'm going to have 'time waster' on my file.

And I've heard some bizarre explanations, too. Basically it's a combination of human error and incompatible data systems.

Yes, same with my OH. He has incurable blood cancer and has been under the local oncology department for 4 years now. At the start, his treatment was second to none. He went through a few months of chemotherapy with no problems (well not administrative anyway, obviously he suffered with side effects etc).

At the start of 2020, his "levels" had increased and he needed to be back on chemotherapy. Started well enough, but then covid happened. They cancelled his treatment (curt phone call on morning of his usual weekly infusion) with the promise someone would ring him back to re-schedule, but weeks passed with no communication, not even the usual monthly consultant appointments he'd been having for the past 3 years! Complete radio silence. Then he started trying to contact them, but it was either answerphones or whenever he spoke to a human, it was always "someone will call back" but they never did.

Anyway, last Summer, 4 months later, he finally got a telephone appointment with his consultant fixed. But, the day and time came and went with no phone call. He phoned mid day, to be told by a receptionist that the oncologist was "running late" but would call when she could. 3 pm in the afternoon, still no call, so he phoned again, to be told by the receptionist that the oncologist had finished for the day, but the record showed a "DNA", i.e. did not attend. So he was logged down as a missed appnt. Took several phone calls to get a new appt made which was another 4 weeks later. All the time, he's missing his chemotherapy!

Anyway, finally got to speak to her and chemo was restarted (no apology nor explanation for why his treatment had been forgotten nor why she'd put him down as DNA when she hadn't tried to phone him!).

Same keeps happening since. Consultant won't do any face to face appointments, so it's got to be monthly phone calls. But every 2 or 3 times, she just doesn't call and it keeps getting logged as a did not attend. OH got fed up with the constant chasing and delays (as always has to wait another 4 weeks to reschedule) he's started making a formal complaint via PALS every time it happens, and also, other delays/errors, such as his chemo being cancelled at last minute and never being re-arranged without him having to chase it, blood tests being cancelled and not re-arranged, etc. It's almost a full time job trying to keep on top of it as the oncology dept admin systems seem to have collapsed. Literally nothing happens without him having to chase it up. I can't say it's improved with the PALS complaints being made, but at least it's now on record and it stops them covering it up and blaming OH for their administrative foul ups!

DentonsFringeArnottsWaistcoat · 14/06/2021 12:43

Turning up to see the consultant, to be told that it was his day off
Oh yes, once got a letter with DHs MRI scan booked for 10 am Sunday morning at the hospital a two hour round trip away. We did think it was weird but thought, actually they’ve probably done it to clear a backlog or something and a nice quiet drive Ona Sunday isn’t too bad. Only to arrive - at the same hospital the bloody came from - to be told ‘what are you doing here? This department isn’t open on Sunday’s?’ 🤦‍♀️

Quisto · 14/06/2021 13:13

9 years ago my son had an operation at a Plymouth hospital. There was no pediatric surgeon when he had cyst form on the operation site later, so we were supposed to see a consultant from Bristol in a Plymouth clinic. I received a letter some time later asking why we hadn't attended the clinic, we hadn't received a letter with an appointment at all. When I telephoned the consultant's receptionist, she told me that they gradually realised on the day of the clinic that nobody had, in fact, received a letter for the clinic. Plymouth blamed Bristol, and Bristol blamed Plymouth. We ended up driving 250 miles for a 10 minute consultation at Bristol later in the year.

Newnamefor2021 · 14/06/2021 13:18

Yes they do that. CAMHS will send paper work back saying missing items and when questioned they will say oh yes, all there, silly us! Every single time! Usually delays things for months as they won't send it out until a month after receiving and busy schools can take weeks or months to question and some take it as a rejection and don't resend.

BlueyIsMyBae · 14/06/2021 13:20

Hasn't happened to me but 100% not surprised (sadly).