To be irritated by the Londoner exodus to my town?

[thesecondnamegame]

I've been priced out of my Greater Manchester town by the London diaspora. Anybody who knows the area will know which town I mean. My tatty council town centre terrace is worth 300k. A load of Londoners came up after the BBC moved to Manchester. Half the kids in my kid's school's parents are from London and they love to make sure you know that. House prices have become ridiculous and are in a different world to the rest of Greater Manchester. It's ridiculous as it used to be a very unremarkable market town (albiet with not much to it) and now it's gone all 'naice' and I'm having to move 10 miles away because it's reaching the surrounding towns and I simply cannot afford to live here and I want to buy a property. It annoys me, I keep imagining somebody who had a London salary and bought a house in London, sold it, and came up here and bought a house 3 times bigger for the same price as their smaller London home. It just seems like they cheated. There are no school places either, because a lot of the Londoner's chose this particular town for the schools. The catchments are bloody tiny, I know somebody who lives in a village about 4 miles away. The schools in this town are the closest schools. No school would take her child and she ended up having to home educate for months.

All my relatives who bought properties or private rented have had to leave, even those who went to uni and got great jobs.

@Tealightsandd obviously they need to just become solicitors! 🙄

@Dita73

Is it just you or does everyone where you live have a massive chip on their shoulder?

Definitely not everyone!

@Dita73

Is it just you or does everyone where you live have a massive chip on their shoulder?

No they don’t because most of them are rich! OP might have more of a point if she didn’t live in one of the wealthiest, most competitive housing markets in the country (that’s been that way since long before Media City). Madness.

@JaJaDD

To be fair twenty years ago I didn’t get a place at a Trafford Grammar due to oversubscription, despite passing the 11plus and living 1.5 miles from the nearest as the crow flies. It has always been a postcode lottery and I highly doubt children from further out in greater Manchester are getting the places!

From what I've heard this years allocation of places for kids in Trafford was all over the place due to there not being the usual system due to covid.

Knutsford's reputation has improved recently and that has confused matters too, as people have been caught out by an increase in demand to go which wasn't there a few years ago which impacted on whether people got their 1st/2nd choices across the county borders.

You've also got competition from kids from South Warrington as availability of places / reputations of the schools there have fluctuated. When one has gone downhill applications to the Grammar Schools have increased.

You also have an issue with High School Academies increasingly setting their own admission policies outside of local authority control. For example if you put your kid in prep school, and out of a feeder primary they can't get into the local school with the good rep. I have friends who got caught out by this.

The whole thing is a complete mess tbh. It is much more complex than 'people moving up from London'.

Chester here. It's also happening where I live, lots from London and Essex too

You clearly just used the word 'nurse' as a guilt tripping attempt and I pulled you up on that, not having this argument. Ta.

Ok, 30k was too low. But I do know a few couples who've moved from London and been able to drop from two salaries to one and still have a nice house.

Londoners have been ignored for several decades. The most acute housing crisis in the whole country. It's about time the focus was on (helping) Londoners.

London is the only region in the UK that pays more tax than it gets back. Yet it's the capital of homelessness. 165,000 homeless Londoners. That's a disgrace.

Yes about bloody time the focus and help was on Londoners.

@thesecondnamegame

I'm not saying people can't move up in life, but London equity shouldn't be then used to price out people from their local towns in the north.

How can it be stopped though? A large tax perhaps if somebody is using a large amount of equity earned in a high yielding area such as London to buy a much larger house in Manchester?

It is not the same as somebody raised in London who's ended up buying their starter home in say, the east midlands because they couldn't afford London!

Hahahahahahahaha!

Ok then.

You clearly just used the word 'nurse' as a guilt tripping attempt

No I used nurse because it's one occupation that is frequently highlighted as not being able to afford to live in London & there is a shortage. Nothing to do with guilt tripping.

and I pulled you up on that, not having this argument. Ta.

Pulled me up on what?

You're not having the argument cause you already lost it back on page 1...

Amazing the amount of people of this thread who think the right of people to be able to use their equity to buy bigger houses in areas they have never contributed to trumps the right of people to not be forced out of their local areas by equity earned somewhere else.

I know London has it the worst in the respect of people being forced out, so why can't be talk about how to prevent it being spread to other areas? Find a way to fix the situation in London instead.

[quote thesecondnamegame]@SoupDragon

Um. What I want is for Lancashire and the north east to get a look-in. It's not northern investment at the moment, that's a load of shit.[/quote]
The government is moving various civil service departments to outside London for precisely this reason.

so why can't be talk about how to prevent it being spread to other areas?

We certainly can! You start ...

It’s happened where I live too but I wouldn’t live in or around Manchester if you paid me

I know London has it the worst in the respect of people being forced out, so why can't be talk about how to prevent it being spread to other areas? Find a way to fix the situation in London instead.

Is that whilst you simultaneously blame & stereotype Londoners?

Personally I think there should be far more levies for foreign ownership & 2nd home ownership. I also think the government should stop the props.

Amazing the amount of people of this thread who think the right of people to be able to use their equity to buy bigger houses in areas they have never contributed to trumps the right of people to not be forced out of their local areas by equity earned somewhere else.

The second one isn’t a right at all! And what do you mean by ‘never contributed to’? Surely their contribution comes after they move there. That’s how it works!

[quote awaketoosoon]@Tealightsandd obviously they need to just become solicitors! 🙄[/quote]
Of course! Training contracts available for every single graduate. So many vacancies.
Does London need nurses? No, of course not.

She won't believe us will she, if we explain that in London even many solicitors can't afford to buy. Most London solicitors aren't magic circle. As for starting out as a barrister...

@OpalBerry

A local town for local people

There's nothing for you here! 😂

nah @Tealightsandd it's a lost cause

What's going to happen if people leaving London for bigger houses is continuously encouraged? Everywhere else is going to end up the same due to the exodus and there will be more and more property in London snapped up by offshore investors.

The current situation of people leaving London (whether that be because they are being forced out, or for other reasons) in droves is what the Tories and offshore investors what, more property for them. It is playing right in to their hands. They have their eyes on Manchester as well, it is going the same way. New skyscrapers are being thrown up and left empty.

“Find a way to fix the situation in London instead.”

Go on then, OP. While you’re at it, could you fix NYC and Paris too?

Interested to know how far you suggest people should be allowed to move to in relation to where they were born OP?
I assume you and you parents/grandparents/partner/in laws etc. all live within a 10 mile radius of the hospital they were born at?
People are allowed to move anywhere they want to in this country, as it should be really.

F*k off and then f*k off some more. I’m from Dublin Ireland and we get the same shit here if we dare buy in another county. It’s a free world and people can move where they want to. Perhaps the people where you’re moving to don’t want you there either!

@sambaa

“Find a way to fix the situation in London instead.”

Go on then, OP. While you’re at it, could you fix NYC and Paris too?

I believe there are some difficulties between Israel and Palestine while you're at it

@thesecondnamegame

Amazing the amount of people of this thread who think the right of people to be able to use their equity to buy bigger houses in areas they have never contributed to trumps the right of people to not be forced out of their local areas by equity earned somewhere else.

I know London has it the worst in the respect of people being forced out, so why can't be talk about how to prevent it being spread to other areas? Find a way to fix the situation in London instead.

Actually I've been a 'loser' in this because I didn't move south and our house didn't go up in value so we didn't acquire any equity. I find it awful how local families who have been here for generations have had to move out. But I'm also seeing younger middle class families who moved up from London also gradually priced out and have to move further out to move up the housing ladder too. The whole market is nuts. I don't really begrudge people moving up because they can't afford London either for similar reasons. They are ALL caught by the same forces just acting in different ways.

We also haven't talked about the impact of inheritance to this situation and how if you come from a wealthy family you have a head start - its not just equity from property in the SE.

You can't prevent people from moving across the country for work or tax them for doing so. You would end up with labour shortages in key industries / professions or cripple those industries by forcing them to stay in certain places.

The reality is what you are getting is certain areas which employ people from a handful of industries which pay well - which is a historical trend too. There isn't anything new about this.