To be irritated by the Londoner exodus to my town?

[thesecondnamegame]

I've been priced out of my Greater Manchester town by the London diaspora. Anybody who knows the area will know which town I mean. My tatty council town centre terrace is worth 300k. A load of Londoners came up after the BBC moved to Manchester. Half the kids in my kid's school's parents are from London and they love to make sure you know that. House prices have become ridiculous and are in a different world to the rest of Greater Manchester. It's ridiculous as it used to be a very unremarkable market town (albiet with not much to it) and now it's gone all 'naice' and I'm having to move 10 miles away because it's reaching the surrounding towns and I simply cannot afford to live here and I want to buy a property. It annoys me, I keep imagining somebody who had a London salary and bought a house in London, sold it, and came up here and bought a house 3 times bigger for the same price as their smaller London home. It just seems like they cheated. There are no school places either, because a lot of the Londoner's chose this particular town for the schools. The catchments are bloody tiny, I know somebody who lives in a village about 4 miles away. The schools in this town are the closest schools. No school would take her child and she ended up having to home educate for months.

All my relatives who bought properties or private rented have had to leave, even those who went to uni and got great jobs.

t's an age lottery and it should't be.

Yes so much of whether you can afford a house or not is dictated by when you were born.

God forbid your kids end up going to school with these bleating londoners offspring and make friends with them, you may have to fraternise with them, bloody incomers the lot of them

@RickiTarr

How pedantic. I am literally the person who made that suggestion, so yes I do believe in that concept. You're getting in a tiff over which order I word things.

But I am also aware that there are many Londoners who earn £80k plus a year

Even those would struggle to buy in many parts now.

Yes very true. Definitely for single income families and individuals (many in this position in London, and often not by choice).

Say a mortgage of 5 x salary. (Increasing the multiple beyond 4 was a big mistake and has fuelled the fire of the house price bubble). Perhaps a 10% deposit. That's still not enough for a lot of London homes.

It shows just how bad things are in London actually. That someone on a salary of £80K still struggles to buy. And the majority of Londoners are earning way way less. It's people elsewhere who have been privileged.

[quote thesecondnamegame]@RickiTarr

How pedantic. I am literally the person who made that suggestion, so yes I do believe in that concept. You're getting in a tiff over which order I word things.[/quote]
No it’s not pedantic. You would rather destroy a good amenity that does good, because you’re not benefiting personally from it, than suggest the opposite.

That’s the way your mind works. Your instinct is to say “ Close that school because it doesn’t benefit me”, rather than saying “I would like access to a school like that for my children or children in my area”. It speaks volumes about who you are.

Oh fgs OP. Catch up with his times. You’re only experiencing what other areas of the UK have been experiencing for a long time.

Newsflash - places change

We’ve lived in SW London now for 20 years, but today, we went out for lunch on Bishopsgate and then thought we’d drive to Bethnal Green to show the kids the very first warehouse conversion flat DH bought in about 1995 for 70k. Yes 70k! That same flat today would be about £800k, The place is transformed. I couldn’t believe my eyes (this is the Broadway area that runs up to London Fields, if anyone knows where I’m talking about). Hipster-tastic! Couldn’t believe it. But this is how it goes. Nowhere is static and nor should it be. There is a real vibrancy there now where when we lived there 25 years ago it was fairly depressing, to be honest.

People like you seem to moan if their house prices are static while other areas are booming, but then moan when the effects disperse to you, why would you want your area of Manchester to stay crap? Fixed in time and left behind?

Would you like everyone to just stay put for life? Grim / deprived areas can stay that way, then? The rich or those with disposable income can stay in swanky or upend-coming parts of London only? Yes, that would work

Actually I have noticed that the area has changed a lot over the last few years. I commented on a different post a couple of weeks ago.

Way back when, Hale village was really nice. A couple of cafes and some restaurants plus butchers, fishmonger, greengrocer etc. Nice people.

Nowadays there are many more restaurants and they are full of self important braying types. We don't go out there any more. I'd not put two and two together.

I think the remote working increases are a great thing. Less young people will be forced to come to London & force to pay obscene amounts for a shoebox.

@thesecondnamegame

Laughing at the notion I expect people to only go to an approved list of areas.

That's the exact bloody issue. It's those who come up with organisation's like the BBC, flock to certain towns such as Ramsbottom and Altrincham, (might as well forget the north-east even exists in this context) create London-lite and then bleat on about how much they have brought to the north as a whole.

I have met this type, they absolutely exist.

God forbid that people want to live in nice town or within easy commuter distance from where they work.

You are talking out of your arse btw. Its not that simple and its not london-lite its gentrification and the majority I know who have moved are certainly not originally from London.

Yes there is a problem but your anti-London tirade isn't helping your argument.

Oh fgs OP. Catch up with his times. You’re only experiencing what other areas of the UK have been experiencing for a long time.

Exactly.

Sadly, though, I think we are dealing with the most miserable, mean-spirited woman north of Watford. Possibly a reverse even? Nobody is this unpleasant and unempathetic.

@RickiTarr

Oh ffs. If they were to shut the grammar schools in my town, what would they use the buildings for? Comps! Oh, how awful. Now all of the kids in the area who are being forced to home educate will actually have a school to go to.

I'm so evil for wanting that aren't I? One town does not need 3 bloody grammar schools, 1 would make a bit of sense.

They love to let you know they're from London? What would they possibly get out of that

Trust me they do. If you encounter a DFL (down from London) it's a bit like that joke about meeting a vegan - how do you know ? That's easy, they'll tell you.

I live in a town that's been invaded by hordes of DFLs artificially raising property prices so locals can barely afford anything not in the shitiest estates and gentrifying everything with twee little coffee houses and furniture shops with 1 chair and a lamp for sale that came out of someone's 1984 bin and is priced at £900

They can all fuck off back to London as far as I'm concerned

@awaketoosoon

I think the remote working increases are a great thing. Less young people will be forced to come to London & force to pay obscene amounts for a shoebox.

Fingers crossed.

@awaketoosoon

t's an age lottery and it should't be.

Yes so much of whether you can afford a house or not is dictated by when you were born.

Yes and with an extra generational divide between Londoners and people elsewhere. Elsewhere the problem is affecting young people - 20s and 30s. In London, because it's been going on for longer, it's also people in their 40s and 50s.

You keep shifting your argument OP, and you’re not actually taking on board any of the information you’ve been given that you were apparently unaware of.

Frustrating I'm sure but Londoners are just people! As a Dubliner but not a Londoner I question why only the capital can be expensive. Other nice places to live are going to be expensive too. Or is that a burden that only Londoners should bear? eg in Ireland there are places like Kinsale and Schull in Co Cork, coastal villages that are more expensive than Dublin. I'm sure those people could sell up and live more comfortably in the city.

I grew up in the area I live in but my house is about half the size of the one I grew up in, not in as nice a part of the town, and it's not as well built and the garden is smaller too. Such is life. If you handed me a bigger house I'd say thank you very much of course. This is a global issue. If you are from greater manchester though at least there are going to be cheaper areas you can go to.

@Kissthepastrychef

I can't believe people from London claim that such people can't exist? They really, really do.

I'm assuming none of your ancestors have never moved across the country or from another country?

@maddiemookins16mum

We’re 45 mins on a high speed train from London. 6 of the most recent lovely 3 bed houses (340k - 360k) up for sale in our town have been purchased in cash by people selling their 1 bed flats for 400K. These same houses would have been 320K tops in January. Our Estate Agent neighbour has a list of cash buyers for every property that comes up.

If they are selling a 1 bed London flat in order to buy a 3 bed house 45 minutes away, they are not cash buyers.

Cash buyers don't need a mortgage and don't need to sell a property.

House price increases are shit for so many people for many reasons. But it's not the fault of individuals moving for work or more space or because they have been priced out of an area. It is the fault of the government who are concerned at all costs to prop up the bubble of property market.

[quote thesecondnamegame]@Kissthepastrychef

I can't believe people from London claim that such people can't exist? They really, really do.[/quote]
I'm local.

You are talking out your arse.

This happened to us 6 years ago. To be fair we lived in a nice town in GM, bur due to another baby had to upsize. On the plus size we moved to Cheshire. Love it - never looked back. Do it - there’s a fair few of us here!

One of my inlaws is from Hackney & bought young because they didn't go to uni & it was cheap approx 80- 100k. They got one of those tracker mortgages that don't exist now & only had a tiny deposit. Plus not many wanted to live there. He will sell for close to 2m & is heading to the coast, watch out!!!

They can all fuck off back to London as far as I'm concerned

Those charming warm hearted locals...

How do you define 'local'? Born and bred? I'm presuming so by your post. In which case many of those unfortunate incomers (unfortunate to have picked a home surrounded by insular 'locals') are NOT Londoners. I'm surprised though that you know where they moved from. You actually spoke to one of the Not Locals!

You don't own your village or town. Your fellow 'locals' moved to London. People can move to where you live if they want or need to.

Oh & a very posh chap from the home counties is buying it 🤷🏻‍♀️

People like the OP are the first to moan when all the wealth and opportunities were centralised in London. Yet they feel threatened by change when it comes their way - whether this be “Londoners” or immigrants from elsewhere. “Incomers” basically. This mentality does my head in. Don’t come to London OP. People from all over the world have made London their home - including probably hundreds of thousands from MANCHESTER - and communities are changing every day. You wouldn’t cope for 5 minutes, by the sound of it.