To not like the phrase "love is love"

[FemaleAndLearning]

I don't like the phrase. I think it is something paedophiles would use to gaslight the children they abuse. Yet I see it a lot during pride month. I understand what people mean by saying love is love for consensual adults but the phrase gives me the creeps and I think it should be dropped. On the other hand should it continue to be used so it cannot continue to be appropriated by paedophiles?
Am I being unreasonable to think it is a tool of paedophiles?

Of course. check out asda’s recent mess with paedo resources.

Am I being unreasonable to think it is a tool of paedophiles?

Errrr yes.

Paedophiles will use any words/phrases they can think of to abuse children.

This is a weird thing to focus on.

I see what you’re saying.

@CassandraTrotter

Of course. check out asda’s recent mess with paedo resources.

What??

As well as the historic use by the Paedophile Information Exchange, anyone using this site knows that not all relationships are healthy, and sometimes the OP should LTB.
Dreadful slogan.

I agree. It's so weird.
of course love is love.
But Weird is weird.
Night is night
Day is day
Red is red
fire is fire
Dead is dead etc etc etc

Love is love has a strong correlation with Lesbian, bi and gay people. If you don't want to use it then fine. Personally, it's the only thing about pride that I'm still on board with.

Any group can co-opt anything - all the more reason to use it clearly for it's original intended use.

I completely agree, it’s totally the wrong message.

There’s a rather good South Park episode on this subject. In summary, it’s very easy to counter anything that a peado would misuse, by reminding the person in the debate ‘that’s a child, you sick fuck’ End of argument.

Abusers will try and twist anything to suit their ends. By complaining about this you’re unwittingly helping homophobia by conflating the issues - homophobic responses to changes in legislation were often based on the ‘thin end of the wedge’ argument.

@OneEpisode

As well as the historic use by the Paedophile Information Exchange, anyone using this site knows that not all relationships are healthy, and sometimes the OP should LTB. Dreadful slogan.

But that’s not love is it? That’s a toxic/abusive relationship and not love.

Love is love in the context of it’s ok to be with someone of the same gender, or of a different race/ethnicity if you both actually love each other.

I think Asda used the phrase "love has no age" in their materials for schools. Can't remember if they used the love is love phrase.

What materials are ASDA making for schools??

Jeez OP. You've seen a phrase most often used by the LGBTQ+ community to defend their love for other as simply of equal value to the love between straight couples and you've thought, sounds like paedophiles. I would take a LONG look at your thought process there as on the surface what you are saying is very homophobic and very hurtful.

Asda withdrew the materials after a parliamentarian complained. filia.org.uk/latest-news/2020/6/21/why-is-asda-using-a-paedophile-slogan

And psychcentral.com/lib/why-do-we-love-an-abuser#1

Love is love has a strong correlation with Lesbian, bi and gay people. If you don't want to use it then fine

Exactly. We're literally only trying to say that the love we feel for same sex partners is not less than the love between a straight couple.

And you go and bring paedophiles into it. Seriously? That's honestly so upsetting.

We all aspire to healthy relationships. Not all relationships (same sex or opposite sex, parent/child) are healthy. My love for my kids is not the same as my love for my wife.
I am older than some of you and I remember the pedophiles on the BBC using this slogan. There are better slogans.

you’re being really weird

Just old? Read the wiki entry for NAMBLA who tried to infiltrate pride. The brave women (lesbian and bi) managed to exclude them.

I think it’s along the same lines as Self Love which is fine for adults but I find distasteful all over the girls clothes in Matalan.

Some of you need to look at the historical context of “love is love” - which PIE was trying to push.

Disliking the phrase has nothing to do with being homophobic.

I was also aware of the PIE connection before this thread. Didn't Asda get in trouble for using that slogan?

@PinkArt

Jeez OP. You've seen a phrase most often used by the LGBTQ+ community to defend their love for other as simply of equal value to the love between straight couples and you've thought, sounds like paedophiles. I would take a LONG look at your thought process there as on the surface what you are saying is very homophobic and very hurtful.

The point being made is that it’s a slogan that WAS used in the 70s and 80s by pedophile groups who were actively trying to change the laws around the age of consent for sex. P.I.E. in particular were very active in this area; they didn’t just want the age of consent between homosexuals to be lowered to that of heterosexuals, which of course was what needed to be done, but they wanted to go one step further and just do away with it completely, arguing that children should be allowed to have a sex life, regardless of age. People’s experiences and history influence their opinions. I know what Love is Love used to mean, so it influences my thinking on how it’s being used now. What I don’t think is that it means gay people want to have sex with children!

I think you’re reading into it to too much and creating a narrative that isn’t there.

That isn't what the OP said though, @Soontobe60. They make no mention of any previous historical use of the phrase. They said they are hearing the phrase being used during Pride month and thought that they 'think it is something paedophiles would use'. It's hard not to read any homophobia there.