To not like the phrase "love is love"

[FemaleAndLearning]

I don't like the phrase. I think it is something paedophiles would use to gaslight the children they abuse. Yet I see it a lot during pride month. I understand what people mean by saying love is love for consensual adults but the phrase gives me the creeps and I think it should be dropped. On the other hand should it continue to be used so it cannot continue to be appropriated by paedophiles?
Am I being unreasonable to think it is a tool of paedophiles?

What do you suggest for Pride then?

Why not use like equal love ?

@Itwontstopraining

There’s a rather good South Park episode on this subject. In summary, it’s very easy to counter anything that a peado would misuse, by reminding the person in the debate ‘that’s a child, you sick fuck’ End of argument.

Abusers will try and twist anything to suit their ends. By complaining about this you’re unwittingly helping homophobia by conflating the issues - homophobic responses to changes in legislation were often based on the ‘thin end of the wedge’ argument.

I agree.

@FemaleAndLearning

I don't like the phrase. I think it is something paedophiles would use to gaslight the children they abuse. Yet I see it a lot during pride month. I understand what people mean by saying love is love for consensual adults but the phrase gives me the creeps and I think it should be dropped. On the other hand should it continue to be used so it cannot continue to be appropriated by paedophiles? Am I being unreasonable to think it is a tool of paedophiles?

This is exactly what I thought when I read the title. Paedophiles.

@IAmAWomanNotACis

Love is love has a strong correlation with Lesbian, bi and gay people. If you don't want to use it then fine. Personally, it's the only thing about pride that I'm still on board with.

Any group can co-opt anything - all the more reason to use it clearly for it's original intended use.

Funny how that wasn't the consensus on the 'DH has got a 7' flag pole and is going to fly a Union Jack/St George's Cross' thread. THAT was racist.

I think paedophiles have a little more in their toolkit than that.

This is a very extreme take on it

I didn’t know some of the history and now I rather wish I didn’t.

I think it’s a good, concise, humane slogan.

God, this website is so backwards.

No-one believes paedophiles love the children they abuse.

love is love is supposed to mean consensual love between two adults

I feel like the gay pride movement made that very clear over the last 50 years.

you should be ashamed.

You should be ashamed OP, its disgusting to draw those connotations from a phrase widely used in the LGBTQ+ community for many years now. Just more thinly veiled homophobia on mumsnet

You can make anything about paedophilia if you twist it enough like what you've done.

Taste the rainbow
I'm lovin it
Melts in you hand not in you mouth
Finger lickin good

How quickly people seem to have forgotten how quickly the PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange) almost managed to convince people (including some MPs) to see it as legitimate.

Paedophiles will do ANYTHING to access children, and the increasingly wide net of LGBTQIA+ has been co-opted. Anyone remember the puppy tent at a Pride event? Grown men with a fetish, including minors in their sexual games, in public?

It isn't prudish or bigoted to be on guard for the many insidious ways nonces will use to get close to children. Safeguarding has gone out of the window in the name of "inclusivity".

Nobody is saying all gay and trans people are paedos. Don't be so disingenuous. But you're being wilfully obtuse if you ignore the very real and proven likelihood of sexual predators taking advantage of the new "anything goes" landscape.

[quote OneEpisode]And psychcentral.com/lib/why-do-we-love-an-abuser#1[/quote]
Wow, I've just read that. I was in an abusive relationship for 14 years plus and it us such a good summary if my sad and lonely existence. Thank you for sharing that.

@OneEpisode

Just old? Read the wiki entry for NAMBLA who tried to infiltrate pride. The brave women (lesbian and bi) managed to exclude them.

I drifted into NAMBLA whilst researching my thoughts. My god.

I don't think for one minute that paedophiles love the children they abuse. However they can make the child believe that it is love in order to maintain the abuse.

I'm not homophobic. I am not suggesting homosexuals use this phrase to hurt children. I am thinking how paedophiles have attached themselves to pride over the years and co opted the phrase love is love and should we (society) be worried.

Maybe I am over sensitive to the phrase love is love. I came here to hear both sides of the argument.

YABU it specifically relates to consentual LGBTQ+ relationships only

Phrases, icons etc will always be misused by a minority, that doesn't mean they should cease to exist, just that we recognise correct vs incorrect use and call it out.

@PinkArt

Jeez OP. You've seen a phrase most often used by the LGBTQ+ community to defend their love for other as simply of equal value to the love between straight couples and you've thought, sounds like paedophiles. I would take a LONG look at your thought process there as on the surface what you are saying is very homophobic and very hurtful.

We have a yearly thread about well known and well used pride slogans = peados, it seems to be an MN tradition. They think if a peado once used a phrase it belongs exclusively to peados now, but weirdly only when the original phrase is well known in the gay community, oddly enough they ignore any phrases that are common in the straight community.

Although I must point out lasts years thread was about rainbows being used by a few peados, so all rainbow flags were now owned by peados who were trying to attract children to their homes.

I might do a little sweepstake to see what next years ‘innocent’ and ‘naive’ thread is about.

You are right I am innocent and naive which us why I came here to see other people's views. I may not have phrased my original post very well. It is no surprise it is during pride month when virtually every corporate body is repeating it. If pride month is about raising awareness and celebration then please everyone raise awareness with me and tell me why I should celebrate the phrase even with its known connotations.