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ZacsGirl · 09/06/2021 20:00

A friend of mine married her partner 3 year ago, at the time he was staying in England on a work Visa.

They married and applied for permanent stay for him but it was refused as he had overstayed his visa. He was deported back and she worked night and day to reapply for him to show that she was financially secure to support him. They were even told that having a child would help their case, which they tried, unsuccessfully. The paperwork was put through and he was allowed to come back on a permanent basis and now has British citizenship. They then had a child pretty much straight after he came back.

My friend has been on maternity leave for the past year and has now said that she will only go back a few weeks to pay off the maternity leave then leave work. She said her plan is to leave work and apply for benefits. She has on numerous occasions asked me for advice on how to claim as I have previously worked as an advisor in this field.

They have just brought a house, and are doing it up with money that have borrowed and taken out a loan too. It grates me that she genuinely thinks its acceptable to have this mindset. That others will pay for her and her family.

Aibu or should I just help her?

OP posts:
MiddlesexGirl · 10/06/2021 23:43

I'll say it again... she will be able to claim benefits because she has a baby under 1 year old. For that reason she'll be in the no work related requirements group so she won't get sanctioned for leaving her job.
She won't get support for mortgage interest if either she or her partner have earned income.

ProbablyProbing · 11/06/2021 08:25

@MiddlesexGirl

I'll say it again... she will be able to claim benefits because she has a baby under 1 year old. For that reason she'll be in the no work related requirements group so she won't get sanctioned for leaving her job. She won't get support for mortgage interest if either she or her partner have earned income.
She won't be able to claim benefits because her DH undoubtedly earns above the threshold - if he didn't, he wouldn't be allowed in. That's a major plot hole in OP's story. He can't have citizenship on the timeline given, he can't be working cash in hand on the information given, they can't have got a mortgage on the info given. OP's story is either entirely made up or she's completely misunderstood almost every single aspect of it.
HeyDemonsItsYaGirl · 11/06/2021 08:29

I've been through the visa process with a spouse and your story has more holes in it than a cheese grater.

Royalbloo · 11/06/2021 08:44

Just tell her to go to her nearest CAB and let it go!

HavelockVetinari · 11/06/2021 08:48

AND am unreasonable MIL, @MiddleClassProblem and @WorraLiberty Grin

TheVampiresWife · 11/06/2021 11:18

@User52739

This post has more dog whistles than crufts
This.
VettiyaIruken · 11/06/2021 11:21

If you don't agree with her plan then say so and decline to help her

moynomore · 11/06/2021 11:25

she has openly said she is going to be a lady of leisure and she has told her husband to pick up even more hours.

Laughing at someone collecting benefits being a "lady of leisure". And why shouldn't her husband pick up more hours if she is looking after their children? As you say, she worked very hard to get him over here.

I don't agree with anyone quitting work with the view to collecting UC for no other reason then that they don't want to work, but this isn't really adding up.

RickiTarr · 11/06/2021 15:22

🧐

ZacsGirl · 11/06/2021 21:18

@ProbablyProbing

He doesn't actually work above the threshold you mention, he is employed at a company run by a close family member. My friend told me that he had paid to have his payslips amended to show that he was earning more, she also told me that her husband paid them to make fake payslips for her. I remember seeing them when she asked me to take her to the solicitors office.

He is 100% working cash in hand, and they have managed to get a mortgage. Like I have said previously some details I may have missed out on.

OP posts:
MiddleClassProblem · 11/06/2021 22:45

But mortgage lenders don’t just look at payslips. They look at bank statements and p60s etc too. Why is she having fake payslips when she has a job?

None of what you are saying makes sense…

LawnFever · 11/06/2021 22:58

[quote ZacsGirl]@ProbablyProbing

He doesn't actually work above the threshold you mention, he is employed at a company run by a close family member. My friend told me that he had paid to have his payslips amended to show that he was earning more, she also told me that her husband paid them to make fake payslips for her. I remember seeing them when she asked me to take her to the solicitors office.

He is 100% working cash in hand, and they have managed to get a mortgage. Like I have said previously some details I may have missed out on.[/quote]
Fake payslips wouldn’t work to get a mortgage, lenders look at your bank statements too so it wouldn’t match up and would be spotted immediately.

MintyMabel · 12/06/2021 13:54

My gripe is the fact she was ok to work her ass off to bring her husband here, working day and night. Now that her husband is here she has openly said she is going to be a lady of leisure and she has told her husband to pick up even more hours.

Why would that be your gripe? Are you her husband?

RickiTarr · 12/06/2021 14:05

He is 100% working cash in hand, and they have managed to get a mortgage. Like I have said previously some details I may have missed out on.

Grin

Keep digging.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 12/06/2021 14:11

[quote ZacsGirl]@ProbablyProbing

He doesn't actually work above the threshold you mention, he is employed at a company run by a close family member. My friend told me that he had paid to have his payslips amended to show that he was earning more, she also told me that her husband paid them to make fake payslips for her. I remember seeing them when she asked me to take her to the solicitors office.

He is 100% working cash in hand, and they have managed to get a mortgage. Like I have said previously some details I may have missed out on.[/quote]
This is a load of tosh. There's absolutely no way they could get a mortgage working cash in hand with fake pay slips.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 14:12

A friend of mine married her partner 3 year ago, at the time he was staying in England on a work Visa. They married and applied for permanent stay for him but it was refused as he had overstayed his visa. He was deported back and she worked night and day to reapply for him to show that she was financially secure to support him. They were even told that having a child would help their case, which they tried, unsuccessfully. The paperwork was put through and he was allowed to come back on a permanent basis and now has British citizenship.

No, this cannot be true. Since 2012 it takes a minimum of 5 years on two back to back 30month partner visas before you can apply for ILR, and only after ILR is granted, then can you apply for British citizenship.

There is no possible way that anyone married 3 years ago, overstayed a work visa, was deported and then back in U.K. could be anywhere near British citizenship yet.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 14:16

@ProbablyProbing
he doesn't get British Citizenship based on her income, and he needs to have lived in the UK for three years continuously prior to application (but after marriage) to get citizenship (which takes 6 months to process

That is pre-2012 route for partners. It now takes 5yrs to ILR then citizenship if earn above threshold, or 10yrs to ILR then citizenship if earn below the threshold.

EastWestWhosBest · 12/06/2021 14:22

@JorisBonson

May I throw some pedantry in?

*Bought. They bought a house.

Slopes back to pedants corner

Thank goodness someone else said it.
EastWestWhosBest · 12/06/2021 14:24

[quote ZacsGirl]@ProbablyProbing

He doesn't actually work above the threshold you mention, he is employed at a company run by a close family member. My friend told me that he had paid to have his payslips amended to show that he was earning more, she also told me that her husband paid them to make fake payslips for her. I remember seeing them when she asked me to take her to the solicitors office.

He is 100% working cash in hand, and they have managed to get a mortgage. Like I have said previously some details I may have missed out on.[/quote]
Pay slips and cash in hand?

Cash in hand and a mortgage?

I can't make that add up.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/06/2021 15:01

He doesn't actually work above the threshold you mention, he is employed at a company run by a close family member. My friend told me that he had paid to have his payslips amended to show that he was earning more, she also told me that her husband paid them to make fake payslips for her. I remember seeing them when she asked me to take her to the solicitors office.

Hah hah hah. Home Office checks income with HMRC...so if he’s got fake inflated payslips....he will be done for tax dodging. Which is one thing that stops an application for British citizenship.

MiddleClassProblem · 12/06/2021 15:14

You’d think someone who was a benefits advisor would have even a little basic knowledge of the immigration system, applying for mortgages, and in particular, the benefit system.

RickiTarr · 12/06/2021 15:17

@MiddleClassProblem

You’d think someone who was a benefits advisor would have even a little basic knowledge of the immigration system, applying for mortgages, and in particular, the benefit system.
You would. You actually would think that.

It’s almost like there is some kind of mystery around OP’s story that we must solve. 🕵️‍♀️ 🔍 🤔

MiddleClassProblem · 12/06/2021 15:29

@RickiTarr do you mean this is like an MN version of The Masked Singer?

The Masked Poster.

OP, are you Boris Johnson?

RickiTarr · 12/06/2021 15:34

Grin Love that idea.

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