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To beg social services to do something

66 replies

Realitea · 28/05/2021 21:09

I live in a posh area and nearby, there’s a young woman who is extremely mentally unwell. Her dh has left recently. Her children are not getting to school. They’re not being fed proper meals. The mother leaves them with whoever she can pay/bribe to watch them for her, usually cleaners. Her live in house staff have all left as they can’t take it anymore. She cannot put anyone’s needs before her own. She doesn’t work but always has ‘important calls’ to make.
She’s taking many prescription drugs.
The crisis team have visited, social services have visited, the police have visited. (Police are very regular now) Nothing is being done. It’s getting worse. The children are now trying to get into my house or the mother bangs on the door pushing them through telling me she’s desperate as she has such important business to attend to. I’m working from home and it’s causing major disruption. Tonight I broke - I told her this is unacceptable and she must get help. It falls on deaf ears. Why aren’t any authorities doing anything? Is it because it’s clear she has money? Why haven’t any authorities actually gone in her house? She always persuades them to speak outside. Because the house is disgusting inside. At least there are cleaners going in now. I just feel I can’t take any more. I hate seeing the children suffer like this but the more we help the less likely it is she will get help I think. Also she’s accused a couple of neighbours of very serious crimes and I’m worried if I get too helpful/involved she might turn on me and I’ll get accused of something next.
Another neighbour got a text last night asking if she would put her children to bed for her! We’ve got our own children, it’s very hard to manage all this.

OP posts:
notapizzaeater · 29/05/2021 14:30

The children are being abandoned - how old are they ? What if you didn't answer the door or was out ? Would they be safe ?

Realitea · 29/05/2021 14:41

I expect she would’ve gone around all the neighbours who are just as exasperated as I am! They’ve put extra locks on their doors/gates outside as she was just walking in
I think she is realising that everywhere she turns it’s a ‘no’ and she’s starting to reach crashing point

OP posts:
osbertthesyrianhamster · 29/05/2021 15:00

@Realitea

I expect she would’ve gone around all the neighbours who are just as exasperated as I am! They’ve put extra locks on their doors/gates outside as she was just walking in I think she is realising that everywhere she turns it’s a ‘no’ and she’s starting to reach crashing point
Just call the police. It's the only way things will get done. Don't answer the door and call the police. It's sad but it needs to reach this point for the real action those kids need to be taken.
Emmylouisa · 29/05/2021 15:13

What a terrible situation. Their mother is quite obviously mentally ill and unfit to look after herself, let alone the children. You've got yourself involved in something big. I feel for you. Can you visit the local authority social services dept and speak to someone in person. Same with the police. Do it when there is not a crisis with this neighbour, but as soon as possible. You are a good person doing the right thing

User57327259 · 29/05/2021 15:28

I would be concerned that police and social services are not doing anything for the time being to allow the situation to escalate until there can be no doubt that the children will have to be taken into care. This is a very risky strategy. The very people who should be protecting children are leaving them at serious risk. All the neighbours are being expected to mind children rather than the persons whose legal responsibility is to protect children are watching from a distance. It is often referred to as "allowing the mother to fail"

Bleddyansum · 29/05/2021 15:30

Poor children, not fair on everyone else getting pulled into it too.

I would absolutely call the police and SS every time. You said that she has accused other neighbours of crimes - it could be that her DH has also been accused but police are still investigating. He might have been bailed with conditions, so could go on for a while longer. Might help with building up the bigger picture for everyone so things progress quicker.

Iniyat · 29/05/2021 15:38

How old are the children?

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep · 29/05/2021 19:17

@User57327259

I would be concerned that police and social services are not doing anything for the time being to allow the situation to escalate until there can be no doubt that the children will have to be taken into care. This is a very risky strategy. The very people who should be protecting children are leaving them at serious risk. All the neighbours are being expected to mind children rather than the persons whose legal responsibility is to protect children are watching from a distance. It is often referred to as "allowing the mother to fail"
You have no idea what social services are doing. Are you aware that there is a threshold that must be met before children can be removed? And that it's impossible to compel someone to engage with support? it is sadly essential that things deteriorate to a certain level before children can be removed because otherwise the threshold would not be met. Social services have a legal duty to assess, support and where the threshold is met to issue care proceedings. It is never referred to as 'allowing mother to fail'. It is following process. A child protection plan may be in place but that would not confer any rights to compel the mother to do anything.
User57327259 · 29/05/2021 19:52

@Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep With respect you have no idea what my experiences with social services are

TurquoiseLemur · 29/05/2021 20:39

[quote kindofcoping]@Realitea No one can be forced to get mental health help unless they are a danger to themselves or others. Again the thresholds are high.[/quote]
That's true.

But there are children involved here and they are being neglected. It's not enough for people just to say "Well, the father won't step up." If he doesn't, then the social services need to be involved.

This isn't something the OP or neighbours can sort out by themselves, nor should they. Except by reporting what's happening. I would second those who say it's better to contact the police.

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep · 29/05/2021 20:54

[quote User57327259]@Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep With respect you have no idea what my experiences with social services are[/quote]
With respect, your experience isn’t really relevant. Your post isn’t reflective of reality around children’s social work practice and thresholds.

MintyMabel · 29/05/2021 23:06

assumed it was a parcel delivery as they always come at that time but it wasn’t

Your parcel deliveries always come at the same time?

Realitea · 29/05/2021 23:45

Yes they do. Same person every time that delivers it aswell. It’s not really the main point though?

OP posts:
MoesBar · 30/05/2021 08:27

My experience with SS is that they do wait for the mother to completely fail.

An ex friend of mine, for example. Already had 2 DC that their father had full residency of and no contact ordered by court - not even indirect contact. SS weren’t involved with that as her ex was a decent parent and she’d already fucked off to another country and wasn’t arsed about her toddler and baby.

She got pregnant again when she came back here. Alcoholic. Other major issues too. SS involved immediately and throughout.

They didn’t do a damn thing until that 8 week old baby was in a pub, with her beyond drunk, and the baby screaming. Baby taken to A&E where it had a soaking wet nappy, full of poo, her bum was raw and bleeding. Also malnourished.

When the baby was 3 days old, she dropped it at a neighbours and disappeared for the weekend, which SS were alerted to. Yet they waited longer to do something.

So no I have zero faith in them these days. Luckily the baby was adopted out and again no contact ordered.

User57327259 · 30/05/2021 09:39

@MoesBar for similar reasons I have no faith in social services
A PP tried to say my experiences were not relevant to this case. Clearly social services are acting just as I experienced.
With the amount of variety of locations of posters on MN I would be surprised if your exoeriences and mine were from the same local authority social services office

CallMeNutribullet · 30/05/2021 22:09

How are you aware of this level of detail op? The multiple mental health assessments, the drug use, the state of the house, the situation with the father. It seems a lot for a neighbour to know.

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