Why buy a house with no parking if you have 3 cars

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So parking where I live is awful. Made worse by people buying houses with no driveways or parking. So you now have extra cars and vans being parked on the side road. If you have that many vehicles why buy a house with no parking . Is it me and shall I just shut up. I know it’s not a given right to park near your house but parking miles away because new people moving in have lots of cars parked really grates on my nerves. Anyway rant over 🤣

You tell megrin

I used to share with DH, it can be done

We also have a drive to park our cars on

That's nice. It can be done sometimes. Not universally, however.

I don’t have a DH to share with and my DC do shifts. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I feel you, we have the same problem. Hassle the council to
Introduce residents permits. That will get rid of piss takers. But it’s also the councils fault for allowing developments without parking.

And I dont have a drive. And if you can get me a 3 bed house for less than 50k you’re welcome to try. I looked a long time for this one and had to move 7 miles into the sticks to get one I could afford.

As a society we need to start questioning why we need so many cars. We need a better public transport system (although most cities are not as badly served as people seem to think). Having said that most people round here don't seem willing to contemplate using anything but their car.

@JustABloodyMinute

As a society we need to start questioning why we need so many cars. We need a better public transport system (although most cities are not as badly served as people seem to think). Having said that most people round here don't seem willing to contemplate using anything but their car.

We don't live in a city. Public transport is woeful around here.

DH, DS and I could not get to work without a car, so couldn't 'contemplate' using anything else as there isn't anything else. That's why we need a car each. But that said we have off road parking so parking doesn't affect anyone.

Our next door neighbours have three cars, one each for 3 adults, two on the drive/ ex front garden and one one the road. Despite the houses having drives most people still park on the street.

I don’t live in a city 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Doggitydog

3 cars? Nice one, Greta is crying.

She should get a bloody grip.

I blame the Victorian and Edwardian planning. They should never have allowed houses to be built without parking for 2 cars per house.

Its not got much better mind. I believe modern planning requires something like 1.5 parking spaces for a 3 bed house and then they cram houses as close as possible together. This includes areas where there is no public transport and you can pretty much only afford a house on two incomes. And despite most households having 2 cars.

What gets me now is the push for electric cars and the lack of planning requirements to accommodate charge points starting now.

Driveways are going to become even more of a premium for this reason. It may help to solve on street parking issues though, because the practicalities of charging your car have yet to be properly thought through by government...

@JustABloodyMinute

As a society we need to start questioning why we need so many cars. We need a better public transport system (although most cities are not as badly served as people seem to think). Having said that most people round here don't seem willing to contemplate using anything but their car.

I live roughly 15 miles as the crow flies from Manchester City centre. But as I'm not in Greater Manchester this is something of an issue.

There is now talk of an integrated transport network in Greater Manchester but this doesn't address the patterns of commuting for Greater Manchester and how so many live outside.

Getting public transport into the city is near impossible for work from where I am. It takes over 2hrs. If everything is on time and within certain hours. If you do irregular hours, forget it.

This is where London is much better set up and organised. It has a realistic radius of commuting and transport...

So yeah theres two main issues here that need resolving - transport networks which reflect where people live and work, are affordable (public transport outside London is mile for mile much more expensive) and planning reflecting our lifestyles and being future proofed for initiatives we already know are being supported by government who want to change our behaviour and lifestyles (but have yet to properly think it through and join the dots).

We raised her to be independent, and not to be like some young adults, who stay at home with their parents well into adulthood, never really take any responsibility for anything, never save any money, leech off their parents, and litter up the neighbourhood with all their cars

Glad I don't have to kick my DSs out, they can stay because we have off road parking for their cars. Phew. They are very responsible and no leeching either. What a relief.

I have an allocated parking space and no car. I do feel a bit smug.

We raised her to be independent, and not to be like some young adults, who stay at home with their parents well into adulthood, never really take any responsibility for anything, never save any money, leech off their parents, and litter up the neighbourhood with all their cars.

So far so good. Till the pandemic struck and DD found herself back in her teenage bedroom studying online. (Lots of DHs younger colleagues fled London and returned to parents. More space, more garden, so easier to wfh.)

And if DD ends up working in London we would prefer she came home and saved for a deposit than spending a fortune renting a shoebox.

The irony is that Sadiqs decision not to issue any more resident congestion charge discount permits is that DD was incentivised to bring her car back and park it on the street, rather than store it off road through the pandemic. If she does return to London she will be one of an increasingly small number of residents with a car. (Even two decades ago only 30% of residents had cars, and new housing is built without parking spaces, and new residents cannot get resident discounts.)

Having said all that, we and DD rarely use our cars. Public transport and an increasing array of hire bikes means that day to day there is little need.

@thecapitalsunited

You can’t afford anywhere with parking. HTH.

That made me laugh, "affordable" flats in Greenwich going up for 800k to a million, no parking, nowhere to park the removal van either, no where for the Ocado van to park and no underground parking at the development. Come to think of it, no bike racks either. But lots of lovely cobbled paving which will be brill for wheelchair users

Going to be a fun day tomorrow

This is where London is much better set up and organised. It has a realistic radius of commuting and transport...

Up to a point. People talk about the great transport in London but that in the context of truly appalling national public transport.

Its much better than it used to be, better than many other parts of the country and it is integrated well in the very central areas.
However journey times from just the outer zones (never mind the outer suburbs) are much longer than they were 20 yrs ago, massively over crowded and subject to frequent disruption.

Travel from outside zone 6 into central London (large cohort of the commuting population) isn't integrated well, is hugely expensive and often so bad it costs people their jobs. Travel by car simply isn't an option for most due to costs/space.
Travel across parts of London is also poorly served. Journey times by public transport from eg SW London to NW London can take hours by public transport due to poor connectivity around the outer zones hence pushing people need more cars. Accessibility is also often non existent, especially at peak times.

So yes central London has good transport on the whole but we need to set the ambitions much higher for the whole country.

@Sparklingbrook

We raised her to be independent, and not to be like some young adults, who stay at home with their parents well into adulthood, never really take any responsibility for anything, never save any money, leech off their parents, and litter up the neighbourhood with all their cars

Glad I don't have to kick my DSs out, they can stay because we have off road parking for their cars. Phew. They are very responsible and no leeching either. What a relief.

Ha. Mine stayed at home to save money for deposits. Took plenty of responsibility and didn’t leech off me at all. They paid keep into the house as well. (I gave them that back towards their deposits because that keep money weirdly doesn’t count as income towards a new mortgage.)

They do “litter up the neighbourhood” with their cars but no more than anyone else who lives here. So I guess I’m littering up the neighbourhood as well 😂

And I can’t ride a bike so the bike option is no good to me.

@JustABloodyMinute

As a society we need to start questioning why we need so many cars. We need a better public transport system (although most cities are not as badly served as people seem to think). Having said that most people round here don't seem willing to contemplate using anything but their car.

Go for it. Don't include others in your 'we'. And many people don't live in bloody cities.

We raised her to be independent, and not to be like some young adults, who stay at home with their parents well into adulthood, never really take any responsibility for anything, never save any money, leech off their parents, and litter up the neighbourhood with all their cars.

You obviously raised her in an area of cheap housing too.

I feel your pain . I live down a little cul de sac which is resident’s parking only but you do have a visitor’s pass as well .It’s very tight for turning round but new residents have one of those monstrous pick ups plus a car so actually take up three spaces . The guy next door now says he has been told if he parks outside the marked areas he can’t be ticketed ??As a result he parks in the turning space at the end of the street which used to have double yellow lines . The people across who have a black cab and a 4x4 have a garage they choose not to use so park on my side. They do leave me a space but I need a bloody shoehorn to get my small car in it !

I can’t do the bike option either. I think cycling down the motorway is frowned upon. ☹️

@JustABloodyMinute

As a society we need to start questioning why we need so many cars. We need a better public transport system (although most cities are not as badly served as people seem to think). Having said that most people round here don't seem willing to contemplate using anything but their car.

Not everyone lives in or near a city, though.

We have no bus network at all. We do have trains though on Sundays and Bank Holidays they only run every couple of hours and stop around 5pm. Taxis exist but have to be booked well in advance and there are only about 4 of them to serve the whole town and surrounding villages(that's 4 actual vehicles, not companies).

I think if you live somewhere with regular buses or trains in every direction and lots of nice walking or cycling routes then it's easy to jump on these threads and criticise.

However lots of people live rurally and have no way to do their jobs without a vehicle. I'm a dog walker so cycling is out. I can't walk between jobs as I then wouldn't make any money. I need my car.

@Sparklingbrook

I can’t do the bike option either. I think cycling down the motorway is frowned upon. ☹️

Oh, people always throw that out. 'You can cycle'. Can I fuck? Never mind if you live on bendy A-roads, work in places that have no facility to get cleaned up after cycling, etc.