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AIBU?

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To be shocked the librarian was so poorly read?

927 replies

bendmeoverbackwards · 25/05/2021 10:25

In the library recently reserving some books for dd. Librarian had not heard of A Handmaid’s Tale and did not know that As you Like It was written by Shakespeare.

These are not exactly obscure books!

AIBU?

OP posts:
JennieLee · 25/05/2021 11:24

When I work in libraries I am shocked by the number of customers who come in asking for reservations who cannot provide me with accurate details of titles and author names.

MmeLaraque · 25/05/2021 11:26

@HeyDemonsItsYaGirl. Ouch.

@GirlCrush: Shakespeare isn't boring. It can be very fruity, and incredibly bawdy.

THT is an interesting book. The series is developing very interestingly. It helps that they have MA working with the directors, I think.

I do expect librarians to have a clue about well-known books, or to be able to offer different choices if asked. We're very lucky in that we have a library still open in our area, so I can use it if I wish. I was disappointed some years ago when I asked after a copy of an older books, and was told they don't stock the classics, because they're considered too old. Which was a bit disappointing, but gave me an excuse to buy some old favourites for our home library, so I could read them again/read them to our offspring.

Blindstupid · 25/05/2021 11:27

iam ... get a grip ... the OP is on her high horse about a ‘librarian’ not being knowledgeable enough ... and yet she gets it wrong herself ... the irony 😉😁😁

bendmeoverbackwards · 25/05/2021 11:27

*@Devlesko that is EXACTLY my point. I may not get the voluntary museum job if I am not suitable or if there is someone else more suitable.

Just because a job is voluntary doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done well. There is a massive shortage of jobs, both paid and unpaid these days; employers have the pick of the bunch.

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person6743 · 25/05/2021 11:27

You can’t just walk into any job, voluntary or other, without being suitable

Agreed. But maybe leave it to the professionals to decide what qualifies as "suitable" when you have so little understanding of the role. I hope you might understand a bit more if you get the museum role, where only 5% of items are on display, and see how you deal with the variety of questions you could be asked in that context, see how you'd feel if someone said you didn't deserve to be there because you didn't have encyclopaedic knowledge of the entire collection.

BoxHedge · 25/05/2021 11:27

I asked a librarian/assistant in our local library if he could point me in the direction of the Famous Five, and he seemed to have never heard of it, and asked me if I knew who the author was.

However I think the main librarians are very knowledgeable and passionate about books.

aiwblam · 25/05/2021 11:28

Competence and knowledge are not prized qualities in modern employment in the UK. It's confusing, but it is indeed the case.

I know a maths teacher, who was (and is still) working in a good school. Went for an interview at another school which is known for very high academic standards. During the interview, the teacher described work done, including: mentoring students for an extra curricular maths scheme, giving extra tutoring to those applying to do maths at Oxbridge, assisting colleagues in other departments with their lessons and planning which involved mathematical content with which they were unfamiliar, the list goes on...

Anyway. School felt teacher was showing off. Extremely skilled and dedicated teacher rejected. Only in Modern Britain do we chop people down for their achievements and big them up for, well I'm not sure what - perhaps their networking skills?

All those suggesting the irony of the OP getting the article wrong for The Handmaid's Tale - the OP isn't actually a librarian! Her lack of knowledge is pretty irrelevant as she isn't the one purporting to be some sort of professional in this area.

Iamthewombat · 25/05/2021 11:28

Sorry, OP, you are now being punished for the cardinal sin of being seen to get a bit above yourself. I’m sure that you are smart enough to shrug it off.

I’ve also noticed the beginning of the ‘be grateful that you have the thing you are complaining about’ arguments. Is your local library a garden shed round the back of Lidl with only three Catherine Cooksons and a 1974 travel guide to Yugoslavia? Be glad that you have a library at all! Etc etc.

3JsMa · 25/05/2021 11:29

YABU,they may have a good knowledge about working in library and totally different reading taste than yours.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 25/05/2021 11:30

@SteveArnottsCodeine

I’m on your side *@bendmeoverbackwards* but I can see I’m in the minority.

Also, for the poster who said their daughters English teacher hadn’t heard of Rebecca.... Sadly not surprised. I’m an English teacher and I’ve met some really stupid colleagues over the years. And English teachers tend to be the brighter sparks of the staff room... a PE teacher I was chatting to the other day genuinely wasn’t sure who the current Prime Minister was. Horrifying.

Do they?

Do they really?

[Shuffles back to hide behind Science]

AryaStarkWolf · 25/05/2021 11:30

@Freecuthbert

People shocked that the librarian has never heard of A Handmaid's Tale is hilarious, it's called The Handmaid's Tale. If it's such general knowledge, then why can't people get the title correct? Grin
Bahahaha

Yes YABU OP

GreyhoundG1rl · 25/05/2021 11:31

@BoxHedge

I asked a librarian/assistant in our local library if he could point me in the direction of the Famous Five, and he seemed to have never heard of it, and asked me if I knew who the author was.

However I think the main librarians are very knowledgeable and passionate about books.

Why not just try looking under B? 😂 Do people really need their hands held in a library? Ours (before it closed down completely...) had a computerised search facility available to customers.
whatswithtodaytoday · 25/05/2021 11:31

All the qualified and experienced librarians were got rid of a few years ago as part of the Tory campaign to close libraries and save money. My mum was one. Now they're staffed by volunteers who are for the most part retired people with time on their hands but little to no experience.

If anyone with the knowledge and experience to run a library wants to take one on for no pay, I'm sure your local one would be delighted to have you! Sadly libraries are only clinging on in Tory Britain because it is illegal to get rid of all of them. I'm sure they'll find a way to change the law soon enough.

ICECream821 · 25/05/2021 11:31

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CorianderBee · 25/05/2021 11:32

Not everyone is into the classics.

ShonkyCat · 25/05/2021 11:32

I've read The Handmaid's Tale (albeit many years ago) but didn't pick up on the fact that A Handmaid's Tale wasn't the correct title.

I don't think it's fair to expect somebody working in a library to have read a particular book or play but yes, it is a bit surprising that a trained librarian (not a volunteer) wouldn't have even heard of them.

bendmeoverbackwards · 25/05/2021 11:32

Very sad for your mum @whatswithtodaytoday What does she do now?

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Firstbornunicorn · 25/05/2021 11:32

I went to the desk once to ask if they had a copy of the Iliad. She’d never heard of it, then looked it up on the computer and said it’s old and probably out of print!

I actually vaguely knew who the lady was, as there was some crossover in our circles, and she definitely wasn’t a qualified librarian, so I said no more. I would definitely expect a qualified librarian to have heard of The Iliad!

Nightbear · 25/05/2021 11:33

’A PE teacher I was chatting to the other day genuinely wasn’t sure who the current Prime Minister was’

That might be a defence mechanism. I try to forget too.

Lweji · 25/05/2021 11:35

@JennieLee

When I work in libraries I am shocked by the number of customers who come in asking for reservations who cannot provide me with accurate details of titles and author names.
Grin
RowanAlong · 25/05/2021 11:35

Not many libraries these days are run by qualified librarians. Library assistant is a Customer Service role, and advertised as such.

Bitofaworry · 25/05/2021 11:35

Sounds like a volunteer, but yes, you would have thought that to work in a library, as with a bookshop that someone might be into books and those are 2 fairly easy ones to know.

memberofthewedding · 25/05/2021 11:36

Sorry for long post:-

I am a qualified librarian and I had to leave the profession in the 1980s. Not because of anything I had done wrong, but because the structure of the profession changed beyond recognition.

I qualified back in the 1960s by taking the internal exams of the Library Association and also by "serving my time" as a librarian. By the late 1970s I was running my own branch library. The new universities (those which had been polytechnics) began to offer degrees in subjects like "library science" "accountancy" and "education" which had a major impact on those who (like myself) were qualified and experienced members of these respected professions.There was a tranche of young people emerging from the new unis. They had no idea how to run a library but they had a bit of paper (often not a very good one) that we did not have. Library authorities (often mistakenly) saw them as better qualified than time served staff such as myself because they had a degree. We were expected to mentor them, train them up, and then see them promoted over our heads.

These short sighted policies caused a lot of anger and bitterness and led to deterioration of quality in the profession. This was only later recognized when qualifications were beefed up and a period of in service training was required on top of the basic degree,

As I pointed out, it didnt just happen in librarianship but in many other professions like teaching and accountancy.

In my mid 40s I found myself in the unenviable position with two choices:-

#1 remain in the profession but see my qualifications increasingly devalued and never be promoted any further

#2 go back into education and get a degree to increase my options

I chose the latter, got a 1st in psychology at a RG uni and then went on to do a masters and a doctorate. I became an academic and never were back into librarianship. However the skills I learned were not wasted as it taught me a lot about how to organize and access information which probably contributed to my academic success.

On top of these changes there have also been the massive changes in technology and the switch from book learning to online learning. All these have further whittled down the opportunities to work as a librarian in public libraries. Most of the opportunities now are in academic and specialist libraries and contain a large degree of information science.

And, as other posters have mentioned, so called "cash strapped" local councils have closed libraries or converted them into trendy drop in community centers staffed by volunteers. Funny how so many of these councils can waste money on vanity projects which local people have neither voted for or been consulted about. But thats another story.

These volunteers have not, for the most part, got the qualifications and training which I acquired as a young woman. This is no disrespect to them. They simply do not have the training.

If you had come to my library in the 1970s and 1980s I could have told you off the top of my head the author of most popular books and whether or not we had it in stock. That was how well I knew my job.

Lweji · 25/05/2021 11:36

A PE teacher I was chatting to the other day genuinely wasn’t sure who the current Prime Minister was

I suspect even the PM wouldn't be sure, if you asked him.

BoxHedge · 25/05/2021 11:37

Why not just try looking under B? 😂

Well he was working around the area and said hi, I was just making conversation really.

Plus the kids books are split into different age groups and the shelves are in X shapes all over the place so it really wasn’t that obvious to me where the B would be!