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To not invite my dad to my wedding? AIBU?

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Reassuranceneeded14 · 24/05/2021 21:14

So this is going to be a long backstory, sorry in advance.

My parents split when I was very young, and for various reasons my little sister and I lived with my Dad, and saw my mum and half siblings on weekends/school holidays. My father married my stepmother who over the years was abusive emotionally and sometimes physically. My Dad turned a blind eye, and I think felt that his job was to provide and my stepmother was there to do everything with us kids and in the home, and so was absent emotionally and turned a blind eye to what she was doing.
My mother on the other hand also remarried, and my stepfather is the kindest, loving man who I also call Dad. I moved in with my mum at 16, went to college, then moved 2 hours away to uni where I have remained ever since.

In my early 20s, I had two children very close together and got engaged to their father. We wanted a small wedding, due to cost. My father was in and out of my life, as I was no contact with my stepmother, but given I was a young adult living 2 hours away, there was little she could do to me. To cut a long story short, when it came to booking the wedding and planning, my father insisted on paying for a venue and doing the whole father of the bride duty thing, also inviting lots of his friends along. Money has always been his way of keeping control of my stepmother/and his kids. I was young, naive and although I felt a strong bond with my stepfather, he didn’t feel he could step on my dads toes, and I just didn’t know how to say no (I still don’t). My stepmother attended, and it was civil (we hardly spoke) but when the wedding was over, despite my best attempts, his interest fizzled out. He went back to being in and out of my life again. Anyway, my marriage lasted 5 months, very amicable and we co parent really well and have done ever since.

Fast forward, life is very different. I am engaged to my fiancé, we have a 1 year old together. Him, my ex husband and I all get along well. I still live hours away from my family. Financially we are secure, settled and doing the normal run of the mill stuff.

My father has barely spoken to me since before lockdown. It was very on and off after the wedding, there would just be long periods of ignoring my texts or calls, then calling me as if it hadn’t been months of no contact. I haven’t seen/spoken to my stepmother since my first wedding. After repeated attempts to make contact when my third baby was born and getting ignored, I finally just realised that we weren’t ever going to have that relationship I had with my stepfather (who has and always is regularly in my life, a doting grandfather etc). So I stopped trying.

Now for the AIBU?

My partner proposed a month ago, and we are having an intimate wedding in 2023, of 40 guests. The news got back to my dad (through my sister) who suddenly got back in touch, and congratulated me by saying he’ll do a better job with the father of the bride speech. The fact is, we have saved and we’re paying for this wedding ourselves and I want my stepfather, who is a constant rock in my life to walk me down the aisle. The problem is when he phones/messages, I go from being an independent mother of three, to a little girl who is scared. Whilst I don’t want to drag up the past, he doesn’t understand why we don’t want anything to do with our stepmother and feels we (my sister and I) are constantly unreasonable for being NC.

The truth is, I would have him there but not as part of the wedding, and not with my stepmother. I also understand he won’t come without her. If he didn’t come at all, I wouldn’t mind either. My stepfather has been everything I didn’t get with my father emotionally.

AIBU, to not have him involved in my wedding and to only invite him, and not my stepmother, knowing he’ll be offended and not come at all?

If you got this far, thank you xx

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Viviennethebeautiful · 24/05/2021 21:17

Have the wedding you want but please invite your dad to attend. He doesn’t have to give you away or make a speech.
Just don’t have regrets x

Ginevere · 24/05/2021 21:22

100% let your stepfather do all the ‘dad’ stuff. Your dad doesn’t get to swan in and play Disney dad, and as a full grown adult you don’t have to fall for it. He’s like a kid at school who ignores you until your birthday comes up and he wants a party invite. Don’t forget what you learnt the first time round.

I didn’t invite my dad to my wedding, my mum walked me down the aisle. He’s dead now- zero regrets.

ThreeLittleDots · 24/05/2021 21:22

I don't understand why you are thinking of inviting your (abusive and neglectful) bio dad at all, other than obligation and fear? Life is too short.

BarryTheKestrel · 24/05/2021 21:24

Rather than talking to him, where you are likely to backtrack or back down, write him a letter, get it all out, say you'd like him there, as a guest but stepmother isn't invited, if he can't accept that, then don't come.

I had a fight with my dad 4 months before my wedding, we don't and haven't spoken in the past decade at all. He didn't attend. I have no regrets because I laid it all out on the line and he chose to walk away, I deserve better and have an amazing family beyond him.

MichelleScarn · 24/05/2021 21:26

It sounds awful for you, what's the relationship like between him and your mum, would that make the wedding awkward?
-does she know how awful it was for you?

Merryoldgoat · 24/05/2021 21:27

Why does she have to have a man who allowed her to be abused at her wedding?

It’s shit like that that leads to this hand wringing.

OP - he chose a nasty woman over you. He makes zero effort now. Steel yourself.

‘You know what dad? We’re doing it differently this time and I’ve decided I want Peter to walk me down the aisle.’

When he kicks off you calmly tell him that he allowed his wife to abuse you, manipulates people with money, and doesn’t even reply to your messages and you therefore don’t want him there.

You will feel like superwoman.

Reassuranceneeded14 · 24/05/2021 21:28

@ThreeLittleDots - I think you are absolutely right- obligation and fear. It’s so easy when we are NC, I just seem to revert when he calls, so I tend to not answer now. I think I hold on to this hope that this phone call, he will say he is sorry and he gets it..as I get older I realise this is the wrong thing to cling to onto!

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SnackSizeRaisin · 24/05/2021 21:28

He sounds awful. Why does he want to be involved in your wedding when he doesn't care about the rest of your life? Is he wanting attention? It doesn't seem worth the stress of inviting him to me. He is free to get in touch whenever he wants to try to rebuild his relationship with you, but hasn't until there's a wedding. It seems cringily fake to me. I think toughen up and tell him he isn't invited because you are no longer in touch

CanIBeACurlyGirl · 24/05/2021 21:32

I married without my dad there. I asked my grandfather and grandmother to attend with grandfather walking me down the isle.

I didn't want my dad there and he respected that. It was 20 years ago now and we still haven't spoken.

I have no regrets what so ever. I was very sure though, make sure you know in yourself it's the right decision for you.

Reassuranceneeded14 · 24/05/2021 21:32

@MichelleScarn - they haven’t spoken since their divorce over 15 years ago. My mother can’t stand him, and feels awful that she didn’t have full custody and I think has tried to make it up to us ever since. My mum often called the police when we would runaway to hers, so she knew and as soon as I was 16 I was with her. She would stand up to him “for me” but as an adult I couldn’t let her.

@BarryTheKestrel - a letter sounds better, you are right that it’s easy to back down/backtrack on the phone. I get this feeling he knows that, which is why he phones..neither me or my sister has ever tried to stand up for ourselves.

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3scape · 24/05/2021 21:33

Be really upfront, express this is a wedding for you and those who choose to be involved and supportive in your life.

LivingLaVidaCovid · 24/05/2021 21:33

AIBU, to not have him involved in my wedding and to only invite him, and not my stepmother, knowing he’ll be offended and not come at all?

Yanbu at all.
You would probably do well to tell him this now and explain that while you understand he might be upset this is happening because of his own choices and treatment of his children.
I'd write out what you want to say to him before calling so the scared little girl can't throw you off track.

Reassuranceneeded14 · 24/05/2021 21:35

@Merryoldgoat - thank you. You are completely right. I know I need to toughen up. Weirdly, I am known in my friendship group as the loud one who will stand up to anyone- except my own dad, it seems! The response you wrote is perfect and doesn’t allow for backtracking on my part! It’s just remembering I am a grown woman, and not a child!

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Reassuranceneeded14 · 24/05/2021 21:38

@SnackSizeRaisin - when my first wedding was being planned, my mum said how he just wants to show off to his friends (who he invited) who apparently he was very jealous of. Whilst she was married to him, he loved to showboat but there was never any substance to him. At the time, I wondered if this was her dislike of him talking but it’s only when I realised how much control he had and that his interest fizzled out once the wedding was over, that she was right.

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Janaih · 24/05/2021 21:41

One of the best things about a second wedding is that you can do it exactly how you like. I invited my dad to mine but he played no role in it. I said I purposely wanted it to be different from my first.
He spins it now that it was his idea to take a back seat in my life Grin

Reassuranceneeded14 · 24/05/2021 21:42

@LivingLaVidaCovid - I think that’s it, in my head I know I’m doing the right thing based on his treatment of us, it’s just that little girl making it tricky. Preparation appears to be key, and it’s often him catching me off guard after months of silence that I back down!

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katy1213 · 24/05/2021 21:44

It doesn't matter if he's offended. Tell him he's over-stepping the mark, that your stepfather will be walking you down the aisle; then decide if you're prepared to tolerate him as a guest - frankly I wouldn't, as he sounds the type to be loudly kicking off about taking a lesser role - but make it clear that under no circumstances is his wife welcome, in which case he'll probably do you a favour by refusing. If he never speaks to you again, well, he's not much loss, is he? You have a perfectly good father and grandfather in your step-father.

Reassuranceneeded14 · 24/05/2021 21:45

@Janaih exactly this!! My first wedding was so theatrical and big..I realised all I wanted for my second wedding was people we love, good food, music and our children around us!

No doubt my dad will do the same to anyone who will listen!

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Reassuranceneeded14 · 24/05/2021 21:48

@katy1213 you are right. I think it’s just the first time I’ve ever stood up to him. I’ve just got by, simply by being NC and living 2 hours away. My life has carried on..but now he wants to be part of something, for the sake of it..and to not be held accountable for anything. I will stand my ground this time, because I adore my stepfather and I have learnt from my experiences. It’s just getting that backbone, biting the bullet and doing it!

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FartleBarfle · 24/05/2021 21:50

I didn't invite my father to my wedding (vaguely similar background to yours) and I don't regret it. Why would I want someone there who doesn't really know me anymore? Like you I had 40 people attend. You have already had him to your first wedding and don't sounds like it made much difference so ignore those saying you might regret it.

Your wedding day is a moment in time, people that attend the ceremony should be the closest in your life at the time. I'm sure you know that this guest list would be different each year of your life - especially having done it before and probably grown distant from some people and made new relationships since then.

I became closer to my father as we got older and I still don't regret him not being there - he wasn't close to me at the time, and maybe if I got married now it would be different? But I'm not so it doesn't matter.

My closest friend just got married and didn't have her father there for similar reasons. He did make a fuss about it, and they have started to build a relationship since too. But like me, she told him it was a small affair and unfortunately he was not in her close circle at the time. Such is life! Maybe he will make more effort in future, maybe not.

As other people have said, come out of the FOG (fear, obligation, and guilt). I hope you have the wedding you dream of and deserve. Good luck.

Janaih · 24/05/2021 21:55

Good luck @Reassuranceneeded14 you can do it Flowers

billy1966 · 24/05/2021 21:55

YANBU.

Either write him a letter stating your position clearly and block his number....that is the easier option.

Or write out in point form.what you want to say and tell him and block him so you don't have to listen to the fallout.

He sounds like an awful man and excuse for a father.

I would kindly say this to you to help you focus your mind.

You clearly love your step father and he indeed sounds like a wonderful man.

Be careful of not following through on doing what you really want to do.

If you don't and allow yourself to be bullied by your father you could bitterly regret not honouring your step father.

Let your fear of regret help solidify your determination to have your step father by your side.

Flowers
Reassuranceneeded14 · 24/05/2021 22:10

@FartleBarfle - FOG is great way of describing it. You are so right- relationships have changed, some have stayed constant..and it is those people who will be with us on our wedding day. I think it’s the fear and obligation that has kept me from standing my ground and that there has been no reason to see him/ no family events since my wedding..so I’ve avoided confrontation when he was NC. I don’t want regrets, and I know I’ll regret not standing up for myself. Thank you x

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katy1213 · 24/05/2021 22:11

Probably easiest just to write him a letter and don't engage in discussion. Then tell your sister under no circumstances to tell him the wedding arrangements in case he just shows up.

Reassuranceneeded14 · 24/05/2021 22:12

@billy1966 thank you! I adore my stepfather and he completely understands the situation at my first wedding. He continued to be the father figure in my life despite this, and I do get my strength from knowing he deserves this moment (he has no daughters of his own). As you and others have said, I think writing it down instead of trying to do it over the phone/off the cuff is the best way. Thank you x

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