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to think that the McDonalds protest is a bloody stupid idea that will not get anyone onside?

301 replies

PyongyangKipperbang · 22/05/2021 15:09

Protester are blockading Maccies distribution centres to try and get them to commit to be fully plant based by 2025.

Now I cansee the argument about meat production affecting the environment but.......McDonalds sell what people want to eat! They are a business and are not going to agree to do something that could decimate their customer base!

And this kind of protest just pisses people off, if you want to take the kids for a maccies on the way home from shopping because you cba to cook then finding out that they have no food in then you are hardly going to feel very well disposed to the people who have caused it are you?

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IhaveMyMoments · 22/05/2021 16:35

Let people eat what they want. Personally I love meat. All kinds. I wouldn't even touch most veggie /vegan stuff.

PegPeople · 22/05/2021 16:35

I believe in peaceful protest. I’m a vegan, so no, I don’t think it’s selfish to raise awareness for animal rights.

But you can protest peacefully anywhere. I just don't agree it's not selfish when that protesting affects someone who has done nothing to warrent being prevented from doing their job.

How would you feel if it transpired they were not paid as a result of not being able to work?

Tealightsandd · 22/05/2021 16:36

There’s a word for authoritarian groups which try to impose their extremist ideology on the rest of society by force or the threat of violence.

I assume you mean protestors blocking road, etc?

Mcdonalds are lucky this is a one off. London has a 'protest' of some sort almost daily. Disruption, aggressive groups, roads blocked, traffic chaos.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 22/05/2021 16:36

But cows and bulls eat grass so isn't it already a plant based business? Smile.

ivykaty44 · 22/05/2021 16:37

I will be having a sausage & egg McMuffin for breakfast tomorrow in solidarity with McDonald’s and its hard working staff.

I think you're missing the point of how this protest is organise to cause-disruption, good luck with getting the food in your box

KaleSlayer · 22/05/2021 16:38

But you can protest peacefully anywhere. I just don't agree it's not selfish when that protesting affects someone who has done nothing to warrent being prevented from doing their job.

Then we disagree. It happens. 🤷🏻‍♀️

How would you feel if it transpired they were not paid as a result of not being able to work?

Pretty shit company if they do that. Take it up with them. The answer isn’t to stop lawful protest.

ivykaty44 · 22/05/2021 16:38

How would you feel if it transpired they were not paid as a result of not being able to work

which staff are being prevented from working?

KittyKatChonky · 22/05/2021 16:40

I think plant based food should be so much more accessible

I think plant-based food should stop tasting like the processed shite it is

trancepants · 22/05/2021 16:41

@WomenAreBornNotWorn

By all means eat what what you want, as long as your choices don't have a victim.
That's all food then. Because there is no such thing as "victimless" food. Even if you want to ignore the fact that plants are actually alive, the fact is that many creatures have to die in the during the growing and production of the legumes, fruits, vegetables and funguses that we eat. In the near future we'll all eat a lot more lab grown food, especially meat, and that will be much closer to 'victimless' than a vegan diet.

It won't stop animals being eaten though because lions, alligators, tigers, wolves, etc, will still eat other animals.

PegPeople · 22/05/2021 16:43

which staff are being prevented from working?

The ones who are meant to be driving the lorries which the activitists are blocking from leaving the depots.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 22/05/2021 16:45

@trancepants

It won't stop animals being eaten though because lions, alligators, tigers, wolves, etc, will still eat other animals.

I believe the protesters are considering visiting the jungle to lobby these very animals shortly.

Sirzy · 22/05/2021 16:47

@PegPeople

which staff are being prevented from working?

The ones who are meant to be driving the lorries which the activitists are blocking from leaving the depots.

And depending on hours and roles may end up unable to get home tonight as a result of being delayed
CuriousaboutSamphire · 22/05/2021 16:47

It takes far more crops grain & water to feed animals to make meat than it does to make food for humans If you accept that at face value you still have the logistics of changing over to contemplate.

How will the new vegan rulers manage the existing animal husbandry?
What timescale have they set - cos 4 years really won't be enough?
How many billions of dollars have they got to help change the infrastructure of world food production? From filed to fork...
What education system have they commissioned, to help people used to an omnivorous diet make sensible, healthy plant based choices?

Start there and then realise just how enormous this project is.

That is why it has not been suggested by any government, WHO etc.

That is why it has to be a grass roots (sorry) change, driven by people like me, open to eating vegetarian and some vegan fod; acepted by people like DH who will eat vegetarian but has far less liking for the vegan food replacements. And if any part of the answer is to eat some of the weird non food foodstuffs that are so common in America, for example, then that wil be a flat no. As will overly chemicalised or overly processed food variants. I eat a varied diet with very little processed food in it. That is why I can happily eat a vegetarian diet. But I have not found wholly vegan diet palateable! or ecologically more sound in all areas - like soy production, increased loss of biodiversity etc

If there were reputable, unbiased data sources that modelled the real cost benefits of making the change I would be really interested. Without it ploughing ahead with any global change risks leaping out of the frying pan...

SchrodingersImmigrant · 22/05/2021 16:49

*My grandparents old neighbours once came round and asked where they could buy rabbits

They were directed to the pet store but no, they wanted rabbits that they would breed to kill and eat.

Fair play to them. I couldn’t do it*

They are yummy and as a bonus you get the fur. Winwin. I had fur and fur products from our rabbits when I was young. And many delicious dinners.

PegPeople · 22/05/2021 16:50

And depending on hours and roles may end up unable to get home tonight as a result of being delayed

Exactly but its fine apparently because the little people that are being inconvenienced don't matter as much as getting publicity. Sad

backtowasteanotherhour · 22/05/2021 16:50

I'm never going to agree to stop eating meat, but these types of protests definitely wouldn't make me sympathetic to their cause, even if I wasn't a committed meat-eater.

The best way to ensure I dig in my heels and refuse is to try to force something on me, and I imagine there are many who feel the same way.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 22/05/2021 16:50

@TwoLeftSocksWithHoles

But cows and bulls eat grass so isn't it already a plant based business? Smile.
Winner winner chicken and egg dinner!

Nice one and as I suspect the hypocrisy of this criminality will backfire. Just as with the distinction mob, this will cause further divisions and annoyance in addition to the desired (but majority adverse?) publicity. I am sure despite the lovely rainfall in most places there will be those firing up their barbecues in solidity with the infamous Golden Arches. “Would you like fires with that?”

Nietzschethehiker · 22/05/2021 16:50

My DM and DSIS live very near one of the protests and rolled their eyes heavily as did everyone else. The protesters are harming their own cause as they so often do.

DM very rarely eats in Mcd just because it's not her taste but they ate there today partly out of bloody mindness and heard several conversations that indicated a few people had done the same. I did have to smile that the protest seemed to increase meat consumption today Grin.

I fully support social change and the right t protest but its remarkably common that their behaviour is so ridiculous it damages their message. I'm in a seaside town and not so long ago some Stop Animal Testing protestors started in the town.

The first lot wore scary pigs masks and played videos loudly of horrific scenes (truly disturbing) fortunately I saw them far enough away I could divert DC. However I heard on the grapevine they had come up against several unimpressed parents with sobbing children. They swiftly moved on that day because as lovely and sunny as the town seems it has a remarkably rough edge and pissing off the locals by scaring the DC is unwise.

A little while later they were stood again with a banner (less graphic and they lost the idiotic pigs heads ) and DS1 who is ASD read the banner and stopped and asked me about it. I believe in giving an even handed explanation so he can decide where he stands for himself so was in the middle of giving a (granted ASD contextualised) explanation when the what appeared to be 12 year old (was probably in her twenties ) decided to butt in (we were standing back away from them) and start telling DS1 that I was wrong and wanted to hurt animals and wanted to torture them in graphic disgusting language. Clearly she thought she was fighting the grizzled old authoritarian oppressor (as ib me the 41 year old mum standing there).

That did not end well...for her. I have less than no guilt telling a jumped up little idiot who has nothing better to do and no tangible positive impact on society to pipe down.

I didn't even have to get the local police who patrol because another parent did after seeing this. As I was trying to get DC away they turned up and stepped in for me (very much on my side).

To be fair it reminded me of how supportive the area can be as two of the local well known slightly dodgier locals came over. One handed the dc their chips. The other let DC stroke their dog and had a chat about its favourite toys.

Protest all you like, try to change the world if you wish I applaud it. But so often the protests are simply to reaffirm to themselves their superiority to others and fill some wierd emotional void because they think so little of themselves. They need to have therapy at home and not impact the community.

ivykaty44 · 22/05/2021 16:52

The ones who are meant to be driving the lorries which the activitists are blocking from leaving the depots

that is the point, to stop them leaving the depot

but they have clocked on and can clock off - nothing to stop them being paid for trying up to work

nothing to stop them going to or leaving the site - just the lorries that are being prevented

as for lions, as far as Im aware they don't contribute to climate change or deforestation, do they?

KaleSlayer · 22/05/2021 16:52

PegPeople

Are you against all peaceful protest then? It usually causes disruption regardless of the topic.

Tealightsandd · 22/05/2021 16:55

@KaleSlayer

PegPeople

Are you against all peaceful protest then? It usually causes disruption regardless of the topic.

I suspect a lot of people are all for it when it's not happening in their own backyard.

Usually this sort of protest/disruption only happens in London (and a few other big cities and towns).

People seem far less keen when it actually impacts on them.

QuestionableMouse · 22/05/2021 16:56

They're protesting the wrong company too. All of McDonalds UK's ingredients are from the UK/Ireland. Not a rainforest destroyed.

murbblurb · 22/05/2021 16:56

Fast food in throw away boxes isn't the way forward if we care about pollution, resources etc etc. Makes not much difference if it is veggie burgers.

Wrong problem.

SallyCinnabon · 22/05/2021 16:57

@Losttheequipment

These people should start their own plant-based fast food restaurant. But presumably that would require a bit more effort than standing around shouting, so they don’t. If they really cared, they would.
👏🏻 Couldn’t have said it better myself
PegPeople · 22/05/2021 16:57

@KaleSlayer

PegPeople

Are you against all peaceful protest then? It usually causes disruption regardless of the topic.

No I'm not against peaceful protests but I hate that no one ever considers the impact this sort of protest has on those just trying to make an honest wage. Why do the rights of those protesting matter more than the rights of someone trying to do their job?

There are lots of ways to protest without stopping people who have no impact on whether a company changes their policies from working.

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