Extra scary bits added onto vaccine passport/app thingy?

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I was watching Talkradio earlier and the discussion was about extra info being added to the vaccine app, that appeared to have zero relevance to anything covid related.
Things such as full health history, work history, any criminal convictions etc.
Aibu to think this sounds utterly bizarre or have I got it wrong?

OP is this what you watched?

twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1395300419589623808

The point made about 6 mins in, about changing our relationship to our data, is worrying.

Siepie "The table showed that your vehicle registration plate and alleged crimes are typed of personal data which will not be used. It doesn't imply at all that the NHS have access to that data."

But why mention it?

I've no issue proving vaccinations for intenational travel but this seems different.

The NHS does often know what people do for a living if they have a chronic health condition. It is a common question when making a diagnosis and assessing impact of conditions.

And it would be terrible to have health info on passports. So if someone has szichophrenia that could be seen? Lots of health conditions do carry stigma.

But why mention it?

I've already explained up thread that it's fairly standard in research to have a similar tick-sheet for what data you're collecting. I imagine the NHS has a similar process.

It's actually to protect the people whose data is being used. It stops researchers from 'forgetting' to say that they are going to collect certain types of data. If you have to explicitly say that you are not going to publish details on crimes (by leaving the box blank), then you can't sneakily publish details on crimes and later claim that you 'didn't know' you should have declared it in advance.

I would never ask someone's national insurance number as part of my research. I don't have access to their NINO and I won't publish their NINO. It's still mentioned on the form, I just don't put a tick next to it.

As someone who is used to seeing information presented like this, it's not at all strange that they mention the types of data they are not using as well as the ones that they are. But it's clear that this wasn't the best way to communicate with the public, given how many people have misunderstood or misinterpreted it. That is presumably why they have changed the website now.

Anyone who thinks that the NHS IT systems can get info from the PNC or DVLA or the tax office has never worked with government IT systems. They aren't connected!

Siepie "It stops researchers from 'forgetting' to say that they are going to collect certain types of data"

I understand there are areas where that might apply.

I thought that covid vaccination status would show I'd been vaccinated and only that. other fields, of any kind, whether they include my car or my family situation, would not need to be listed.

I don't know what about any of my posts makes you think I'm the type of person would miss a thing like that?

Well you're clearly 'the type of person' who thinks that the NHS telling you that they're not going to use certain data means that they are going to use certain data?

@Ostara212 Yes, that was it, I was watching a clip about the BBC/Diana thing, when this came up, hence posting as it sounded worrying. Not to stir things as a poster suggestedz

I find it astonishing that this total misunderstanding of the privacy notice for the NHS app for covid vaccine certificates has become so widespread. The way it was presented was obviously not suitable at all for the target audience, which is people not at all familiar with data protections/GDPR.

This thread is a beautiful example of why we are where we are.

Op, it's very simple, the list is showing what it could include. The x shows what it does include. The lack of x shows what it doesn't. All of the things on the list are things that they already hold data on. Things you have "chosen" to allow (" " to illustrate that many people don't realise they have signed up for this already because who bothers with small print )

It's not news. unless you're an idiot, please stop

@AssassinatedBeauty

I find it astonishing that this total misunderstanding of the privacy notice for the NHS app for covid vaccine certificates has become so widespread. The way it was presented was obviously not suitable at all for the target audience, which is people not at all familiar with data protections/GDPR.

Ah, this is for the NHS app?

Still doesn't make sense. I have a wee bit of knowledge of GDPR but I still can't see how any of these "questions that might be used for other things" got on there.

Definitely YABU for believing any old TalkRadio rubbish.

@toocold54

I think it’s a great idea to have information like this on actual passports.

I know some countries like USA don’t allow you to travel for a while if you’ve been convicted of certain crimes which I think we should do too. I think travel should be a privilege and all countries should vet who comes and goes. The same with diseases too, with increased travel we have increased spread of all diseases which needs to be monitored in some way.

The US does not allow convicted international drug traffickers to apply for a passport. Those are the only people banned from travel due to criminal convictions here. But being able to leave one country doesn’t guarantee you can enter another.

I actually think this could go either way tbh. I think the reasons for why the info is there are valid, however, I don't actually think the other arguments from the 'conspiracy' viewpoint is that far fetched.

@InTheHeatOfTheSun

I'm struggling to see how people are misunderstanding this. A list of possible categories of data, with crosses clearly marked next to the data which is being being collected and stored. I imagine they've removed it because people were missing the crosses.

So it absolutely wasn't collecting or storing the data some posters are suggesting

It's confirmation bias. They look for this stuff, they want to find it because it fits with their agenda and paranoid view of the world. Then they spread it around on sm and, thank god, they get shot down in a rain of logic and correct information on mn. Unfortunately a small amount of damage is done everytime as the fake news either encourages other believers or starts a new believer on the road. It's both crazy and worrying.

It’s quite shocking how ready to believe things which are completely wrong some people are, and how averse they then become to being corrected.

I don’t know how we can run this country with this level of paranoia and conspiracy theory fuelled distrust, I really don’t. It’s such a big problem and just getting worse and worse.

Anyone who thinks that the NHS IT systems can get info from the PNC or DVLA or the tax office has never worked with government IT systems. They aren't connected!

The NHS IT system doesnt even seem to connect to other parts of the nhs half the time!
When my Ddad was v ill a few years ago the communication between gp, hospital, OT, social services and carers etc seemed very clunky and slow. I really wished they all had access to the same info, but they didnt seem to!

Obviously no right minded person would trust the Tories most of the time.

However, a version of this app has been available for years, as I have it myself. It's called Patient Access and available via my GP practice, who give out a password to it. It's a brilliant app, meaning I can view my own patient records and data, and even order my regular medication through it. I can see consultation notes with my GP, letters from hospital doctors, there is a section for test results, a section for allergies. I can't imagine not wanting it-as it is my own data. You should be more paranoid if you can't have it, as this data is about you and belongs to you, and there was an argument to wrest this data off health professionals for years. Obviously it can't NOT be collected and stored, as without it the NHS couldn't run and medics couldn't communicate about your care and conditions. It's more about sharing and accessing it.

@Triphazard101 you are right. I've actually opened my Patient Access to show my GP or a consultant a record from another part of the NHS eg a letter about my condition. The NHS are bit allowed to share some notes without request. BUT if you have it, you can share it then and there as it's yours. It's all about owing your data but also in that instance protecting it.

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