‘With science I can have a baby whenever I want’’

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Naomi Campbell had had a baby at 50 - not sure if she’s given birth or it’s a surrogate but her comments really irritated me. She said ‘with science I can have a baby whenever I want’ - do people actually think about the baby? I am sure she’ll be a lovely mum but it makes having a baby just sound like something to tick off on a list when you have decided you have had enough of everything else no matter what age you are. Maybe I am being harsh but if it’s that easy with science, why wait until you are 50?

Aibu?

She's a revolting woman who has ,most likely, purchased a baby because her career is over. She's spent the last few decades hanging out with Epstein and Russian oligarchs. It astonishes me how she ever found success in the first place. Ugly inside and out. And yes I do have personal experience of having to deal with her.

@MrsTerryPratchett

the woman who "chose" (I assume she had agency) to be the surrogate (allegedly)

And when very rich women offer to carry babies for poor people, I'll believe it's a free choice. Until then, no, I don't believe renting wombs is a great idea.

Yup. This is where I stand on that tbh. Similar to views on other topics.

For a normal person i’d say 50 is too old, but Naomi has the advantage of wealth and having all the help she needs if she wants it.

Also, (maybe not a lot to go on) but have you see Naomi’s mum? She is 70 and and looks pretty fit and healthy, so if Naomi ages like her mum, which i’m sure with healthy habits is doable, she has a good few years left in her to be able to parent.

It's her choice and if she thinks it's right for her and her child, who am I to question that? Also worth remembering that some women do have babies naturally (albeit rarely) at 50.

What I dislike more is the message that seems to imply that anyone can have a baby at any time now thanks to science - this simply isn't true. Access to fertility treatment on the NHS is limited and the cost privately makes it inaccessible for many many people. On top of that success rates of many fertility treatments are not great. Her comment seems to wash over the fact that many women are never able to have the baby they long for, in spite of the science.

I also think the more general message now that women can leave having a baby as late as they like and it'll be ok because science, is a dangerous one to convince young women of and many young women are likely to end up disappointed by being naive about this.

It’s weird for me personally, coming on here and reading posts stating it’s unfair on child. My father was 55 when I was born, I had 24 years of him before he suddenly passed away and I was blessed to have such a gentle, loving Dad. He lost his Mum when he was 9 and she was only 29...nobody knows what life is going to be like, being a good parent is all that matters, not age.

@DeathStare what I dislike more is the message that seems to imply that anyone can have a baby at any time now thanks to science - this simply isn't true. Access to fertility treatment on the NHS is limited and the cost privately makes it inaccessible for many many people. On top of that success rates of many fertility treatments are not great. Her comment seems to wash over the fact that many women are never able to have the baby they long for, in spite of the science

Exactly your comment!

And actually I know someone who has spent well over 50k on many rounds of treatment and is now pregnant in late 40’s using donor eggs. It’s something that for many people is out of the question due to Cost and there is an unethical side to the people profiting from desperation to have a baby

But she doesn’t say ‘anyone’ she says ‘I’ she’s speaking for herself not the entire female population.

YANBU. My dad was 50 when I was born. As a child, I worried intensely about him growing old and dying. He's still alive and in remarkably good health (at 80), but it doesn't change the fact that his age caused me a lot of stress that I should not have had as a child. This makes me a little sad for Naomi's child, though I do wish them well.

@Sparklingbrook well yes but it’s implied isn’t it- unless she really is that tone deaf and can’t see her own privilege

[quote Laughingstock91]@Sparklingbrook well yes but it’s implied isn’t it- unless she really is that tone deaf and can’t see her own privilege[/quote]
I just see that she’s talking about herself TBH but I guess you can read whatever you want into it if you need to.

This is the quote

She was quoted as saying: "I think about having children all the time. But now with the way science is I think I can do it when I want."

That was one comment she made years ago. She also does a huge amount of work with Romanian orphanages. She’s not said how the baby was conceived but it’s highly possible she adopted. Evryrone is just speculating. This could easily be an orphan she’s adopted. She doesn’t need to tell the public her child’s history and nor should she.

Yes the quote was 2017. So much speculation when in fact there’s very little information to go on!

I’m not sure how’s shes acquired the baby so can’t comment but it does open the discussion up on surrogacy. Which needs to be had.

There have been a couple of high profile cases recently where celebrities or rich people have changed their minds about accepting the baby one they have been born or nearly full term. Leaving the surrogate and baby in dreadful financial states.

Should people really be able to buy other human beings to order like a pair of shoes? Because that’s what it is. Babies are now a commodity which is human trafficking.

@Sparklingbrook

Yes the quote was 2017. So much speculation when in fact there’s very little information to go on!

Exactly. This is an actual child. A human being, she’s right not to discuss her start in life,

If people wish to discuss surrogacy that’s fine. They should start a thread on that, but they need to stop assuming she used a surrogate. Because they don’t know and this could easily be an adopted child who had a difficult start in life, as said, she does a huge amount of work with Romanian orphanages,

Which ever way you look at it, it’s still a flippant comment

Bluntness people’s charity work shouldn’t be a yard stick on how much of a good person they are.

I know, it's weird how people have already crucified this "woman" for surrogacy without the almighty 'evidence' they always ask for in other cases.

I know it's cathartic to some, so letting them have at it.

@Frazzledfranny

Bluntness people’s charity work shouldn’t be a yard stick on how much of a good person they are.

At no stage did I intimate it was. Did you refer to me by mistake? I can’t see any other explanation for your very odd post.

Maybe she herself has been trying for years

And in interviews she gives these answers as it’s too painful to discuss

Or maybe not

What does it matter. I think it’s lovely news

I think her honestly about needing science is good. There's been articles by fertility doctors who say that women are waiting too late thinking they won't run out of time, but unless they've got tens of thousands, it won't happen. This forum often denies that most women over 40 can't be guaranteed a natural live baby.

@Exhausted4ever

"" I mean at 75/80 she might require a lot of support and care at which point her kids barely finished uni and began adulthood""

That's ridiculous. 25-30 year olds have well started adulthood. It's a privileged minority that haven't had to grow up by 30. She can pay for all the care she needs, anyway. These days 70 year olds are still having to work. We aren't all old and frail by 70. My Mother was my childcare while I worked until she was 76. She was a lollipop lady as well until 79.

As for her dying before other people might, that doesn't prove true in the celebrity world, there's lots of suicides and premature deaths from lifestyle factors.

@lolacola77, call her ugly on the inside if you feel the need to, but she certainly isn't ugly on the outside. You just make yourself look stupid by calling her ugly on the outside.

Her reputation for being difficult was started because she complained about makeup artists not having foundation for black models. She was the first woman of colour in lots of modeling jobs and wouldn't shut up about racism and sexism.

If she carried the baby herself I don’t have a problem. I just don’t agree with the concept of using poorer women as breeding stock for the rich.