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To think this is just cruel?

53 replies

LadyCatStark · 17/05/2021 10:38

DS is 11 and attends secondary school in Lancashire. He was so relieved that mask wearing in school was ending and he could actually hear what was being said again (he has glue ear). He’s also been getting spots on his chin and round his mouth which I think is exacerbated by wearing a mask for hours on end (we are treating it). This morning, after school started, we received an email to say that Lancashire County Council have issued a directive that all children in Lancashire must continue to wear masks in school for at least a further 5 weeks. That’s nearly the end of term!

Children have to do a lateral flow test twice a week and cases aren’t even high here. I know they are in Bolton and Blackburn but they’re not somewhere anyone I know in north Lancashire would feel the need to go right now!

AIBU to think that this is so cruel to children who have already been in enhanced restrictions for longer than almost everyone else in the country, especially with less than no notice?

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Aprilx · 17/05/2021 11:16

I was wondering what horror I was going to read about when I read the thread title about something being cruel. Wearing a mask was not one of the possibilities, we have all been wearing masks for a year, nobody likes it, many find it hard (me included) but it is time to get used to it.

LadyCatStark · 17/05/2021 11:37

The cruelness is the fact that they’ve said no more masks and then had to go back on that with no notice. But hey ho it’s not like hearing is a crucial part of learning in school 🤷‍♀️.

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HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 17/05/2021 11:40

If he has hearing difficulties, teaching staff should be able to wear visors or see through masks. Are the school aware?

Masks is one of the only protective measures school staff have. Please be kind as many of them are not vaccinated yet.

(teacher with hearing difficulties replying)

leafinthewind · 17/05/2021 11:42

Have you asked the school for reasonable adjustments for a hearing-impaired child? It might be possible for his teachers to use a visor instead of a mask so that he can tune-in more easily? I think being in a busy secondary school as a hearing-impaired child must be a nightmare. Does he/can he use hearing aids? Perhaps some more medical/audiology intervention would be useful. Masks and hearing impairment are a double whammy. I really feel for him, and I think others would too if you/they focus on the real problem (which is the hearing impairment, and not the volte face, and not the spots).

WorraLiberty · 17/05/2021 11:45

@leafinthewind

Have you asked the school for reasonable adjustments for a hearing-impaired child? It might be possible for his teachers to use a visor instead of a mask so that he can tune-in more easily? I think being in a busy secondary school as a hearing-impaired child must be a nightmare. Does he/can he use hearing aids? Perhaps some more medical/audiology intervention would be useful. Masks and hearing impairment are a double whammy. I really feel for him, and I think others would too if you/they focus on the real problem (which is the hearing impairment, and not the volte face, and not the spots).
He's got glue ear.
Cocomarine · 17/05/2021 11:47

It’s a shame and I feel for him, especially the lip reading impact, I have the same.
But cruel is not the right word here.

LadyCatStark · 17/05/2021 11:50

His form teacher knows and made the seating plan so that he sits at the front but this was before mask wearing. It was easier at primary school as he had one teacher but now he has 17! They couldn’t possibly remember which classes need a clear mask as he won’t be the only one, although I did think his glue ear would have cleared up by high school!

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vodkaredbullgirl · 17/05/2021 11:52

Have you talked to your GP about his glue ear?

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 17/05/2021 11:52

They couldn’t possibly remember which classes need a clear mask as he won’t be the only one,

I manage it as a teacher! If you're that worried about his hearing you need to contact school and have it properly flagged on their SEN info.

Otherwise your post is hyperbole.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 17/05/2021 11:54

My dds school has said until at least half term.

My Dd is exempt but I really felt for the other kids

LadyCatStark · 17/05/2021 11:54

@vodkaredbullgirl

Have you talked to your GP about his glue ear?
Yes from the age of 3.

Fair enough I’m being unreasonable. I’m just sick of this whole bullshit life.

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HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 17/05/2021 11:57

Probably not as sick as the dead teaching staff.

I understand your frustration, I really do. Please consider the teachers safety.

TorringtonDean · 17/05/2021 11:58

Do you follow the news at all? The Indian strain is rife in your area. That’s why they have changed the rules where you are. They are not doing it for the fun of it.

Bourbonic · 17/05/2021 12:04

No it isn't cruel and no the children in North Lancashire aren't any more special than children from anywhere else.

It also isn't about whether you personally know anybody who moves in and out of Blackburn and Bolton, as you are not representative of the entire region. Plenty of people indeed are moving, irrespective of whether you personally are or not.

LadyCatStark · 17/05/2021 12:04

@TorringtonDean

Do you follow the news at all? The Indian strain is rife in your area. That’s why they have changed the rules where you are. They are not doing it for the fun of it.
Erm no it’s not. Lancashire is a big place. That’s the whole point.
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WorraLiberty · 17/05/2021 12:12

Erm no it’s not. Lancashire is a big place. That’s the whole point.

The whole point is that they're taking action now, to prevent the spread. Surely you can understand that?

TorringtonDean · 17/05/2021 12:22

India’s a big place and it spread pretty rapidly there. Did you see the briefing? This strain will become the major one in Britain and that’s why there is a rush to get everyone vaccinated. I hope you had your jab.

user1471457751 · 17/05/2021 12:39

Is everybody taking the pass-out of the OP ignoring the fact her child has hearing difficulties? Not being bale to see lips move and having voices muffled by the mask (even if ever just slightly) will be making this kid's life harder

leafinthewind · 17/05/2021 12:50

WorraLiberty you said "He's got glue ear."

Does that mean that there's no further help available for him? Genuinely don't mean that to sound quite as facetious as it does! I thought that a child with hearing problems could get help - either an adjustment like being permitted to see speakers' faces, or with audiology. Maybe aids aren't appropriate for glue ear? Is that what you meant?

I also see now that the OP is just complaining... Sigh.

kindlekeeper · 17/05/2021 13:01

I have a dd with hearing problems, I agree it’s really tough for them. It’s not just the lessons but general conversation and not being able to join in.
I could have wept when school announced masks contra ray to government rules.

HappyHappyHippocampus · 17/05/2021 13:06

I don’t think you are being unreasonable but I’m not sure it’s cruel. It’s disappointing and annoying to have something you were looking forward to taken away.

I wear a mask for 12+ hours a day and have suffered what is now referred to as “maskne”. It’s worth taking him to see the GP as there’s all sorts of lotions and potions out there that could help clear it up and prevent a breakout in the future.

Bettyboopawoop · 17/05/2021 13:10

It sounds like your children are at the same school as mine and to be frank I agree with Lancashire cc they are doing the right thing.

GuidonianHand · 17/05/2021 13:29

@yahyahs22

Oh no I feel awful for your DS. Masks are awful whatever age, especially being linked to fungal pneumonia! But having hearing problems on top of that must be a lot for him to handle. Must be hard on you too as his motherFlowers
The fungal pneumonia myth is nonsense.

www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-masks-fungal-lung-infection-idUSKBN24B25H

"Fact check: Masks worn during COVID-19 response do not cause fungal lung infections

Posts shared on Facebook claim that “people are starting to enter ER’s with fungal lung infections from wearing masks,” advising users to take breaks from wearing them. This claim, however, is false.

Examples of such posts can be found here , here , and here .

Dr. Thomas Nash, an internist, pulmonologist, and infectious disease specialist at New York Presbyterian Hospital in New York City ( here ), told Reuters, “The only thing that hits the mask is what you breathe out,” explaining that healthy people “don’t exhale fungus.”

Nash said that someone who already has a fungal infection in their lungs could possibly contaminate their own mask, but not the other way around.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), “fungi are common in the environment, and people breathe in or come in contact with fungal spores every day without getting sick. However, in people with weak immune systems, these fungi are more likely to cause an infection” ( here ).

“A fungus can infect the lung and cause a variety of problems ranging from an abscess to pneumonia to an asthmatic reaction,” Dr. Nash said.

Aspergillosis, an infection caused by a type of mold, is one example. The CDC says that “most strains of this mold are harmless, but a few can cause serious illnesses when people with weakened immune systems, underlying lung disease or asthma inhale their fungal spores” ( here ). Illnesses resulting from aspergillosis typically affect the respiratory system, but symptoms vary widely.

Fungal infections Valley fever ( here ) and histoplasmosis ( here ) can infect the lungs of people living in or visiting certain areas ( wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/ ).

“If I had a mask and left it out in an old shed and I put it back on after a month, maybe it would contain fungus,” Dr. Nash said, calling the trail of logic “a series of impossibilities.”

Still, he advises that people clean reusable masks regularly in order to reduce the risk of spreading the new coronavirus or other germs. Johns Hopkins Medicine provides tips for cleaning a variety of different face masks here .

As for claims that wearing a face mask causes other health complications, Nash said that “some of the masks are a little too tight” and therefore uncomfortable. But they still “allow in plenty of oxygen.”

The Cleveland Clinic has debunked the myth that “wearing a mask will make me sick” here . The site says that although “there’s been some speculation on social media that wearing a mask can cause you to rebreathe the carbon dioxide you exhale and make you sick,” it is “very unlikely” that you will inhale high levels of carbon dioxide from wearing a cloth face mask.

Reuters Fact Check debunked a claim that wearing a mask would cause hypercapnia here .

VERDICT
False. Wearing a face mask to protect from COVID-19 does not cause fungal lung infections.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here .

Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

WorraLiberty · 17/05/2021 13:37

@leafinthewind

WorraLiberty you said "He's got glue ear."

Does that mean that there's no further help available for him? Genuinely don't mean that to sound quite as facetious as it does! I thought that a child with hearing problems could get help - either an adjustment like being permitted to see speakers' faces, or with audiology. Maybe aids aren't appropriate for glue ear? Is that what you meant?

I also see now that the OP is just complaining... Sigh.

Sorry yes, I should've been more specific. I meant about the hearing aids Blush
Friendlyghostmama · 17/05/2021 14:17

I can't believe how many missed the fact that the kid can't hear well. It must be like trudging through mud for him, and he's upset. What is it about this virus that has killed people's empathy?

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