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Have you ever been on a scary turbulent flight?

328 replies

AbsentmindedWoman · 14/05/2021 17:41

I'm curious what it was like? I've been on quite bumpy flights before, but the flight attendants always looked fine/ bored, so I wasn't worried and just kept watching whatever film. But I'm lucky as have no fear of flying in general, so perhaps easy for me to dismiss it.

Has anyone been on a really frightening flight where you were worried things might deteriorate? Did you get on a plane again after?

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VetOnCall · 17/05/2021 14:13

I should add that I'm thinking that as I remember that the explanation on my flight was also that another plane had pulled out onto the runway - I didn't remember that it was an EasyJet plane but I think I was too preoccupied at the time trying to choke my insides back down into place to catch all the detail 😂

Mintjulia · 17/05/2021 14:21

I flew back from Frankfurt one evening (BA). We took off, levelled up, 5 mins then pilot came on, said they had a warning light and had been told to turn back to Frankfurt.
Landed in Frankfurt, Taxied to quiet area, engineer with bag went into cockpit. 45 mins, then told to return to our seats while they refuelled. Then we taxied, took off, 5 mins, pilot came on and said they had the same issue and we'd been ordered to turn around again so next stop Frankfurt. Hmm
We turned reduced altitude, could see runway, then pilot said "Ladies &gentlemen, we'll be landing shortly. I realise you're all business travellers and have done this before but I thought we'd have a little practice. So when I say BRACE, EVERYBODY BRACE' BRACE BRACE.
I am a business traveller but no, I'd never done that before. 250 people hit their knees in perfect unison. No one was sick. It was totally quiet. We were all too scared to do anything else.
Found out later, They suspected there was a problem with the brakes and we would overshoot. Frankfurt has a lot of fire engines.

loginfail · 17/05/2021 16:48

"Ladies &gentlemen, we'll be landing shortly. I realise you're all business travellers and have done this before but I thought we'd have a little practice. So when I say BRACE, EVERYBODY BRACE' BRACE BRACE.

Well....Hmm....There certainly used to be a very strict and carefully worded script for Emergency announcements such as that.......

toffeebutterpopcorn · 17/05/2021 17:06

You can't say that anymore. I think the plane will have hit the ground before you get through all the pronouns.

loginfail · 17/05/2021 17:45

@toffeebutterpopcorn

You can't say that anymore. I think the plane will have hit the ground before you get through all the pronouns.
Smile

TBH as I recall it it shouldn't ever have been said like that......the pronouns are the least of the problem.....

toffeebutterpopcorn · 17/05/2021 17:58

I got told off for referring to the emergency exit as the fire door.

loginfail · 17/05/2021 18:02

@toffeebutterpopcorn

I got told off for referring to the emergency exit as the fire door.
Grin
toffeebutterpopcorn · 17/05/2021 18:04

'It's naht a fiya daw maaaaammmm, can yooo pu-leeze nat call it that?' (big scary woman at JFK). Of course I did (by accident - I was very sleep deprived)

ddl1 · 17/05/2021 19:06

"Ladies &gentlemen, we'll be landing shortly. I realise you're all business travellers and have done this before but I thought we'd have a little practice. So when I say BRACE, EVERYBODY BRACE' BRACE BRACE."

Well, that's better than 'It is very serious, but we must keep smiling!' Said by an air steward with limited English just before that forced landing that my mother never forgot. Everyone was fine and uninjured in the end, but they probably didn't keep smiling!

Frazzled2207 · 17/05/2021 19:14

@VetOnCall

Yes many times as used to travel globally for work. The worst experience was coming into land in Edinburgh and the pilot aborted very late. Found out upon landing that an Easyjet plane had 'pulled' out in front of us. I was very thankful for a brilliant pilot that day.

@Inthemuckheap I used to live in Edinburgh, travelled a lot, and that also happened to me when flying home once - I wonder if we were on the same flight?! The plane was about to touch down and all was really quiet then suddenly the engines roared and it went up like a lift 😳 I can't remember where we were flying back from though as it was quite a few years ago now.

@VetOnCall Doubt it was the same flight. I used to work at a business park which was just by the runway for Manchester airport. We saw an awful lot of last minute aborted landings. Probably about one a day on average, certainly a few a week
Honeyroar · 17/05/2021 19:48

It’s very common. If the plane in front hasn’t quite cleared the runway the one behind has to go back up.

Mintjulia · 17/05/2021 22:19

I'm sure there are lots of rules and procedures that didn't exist 30 years ago. Another flight back from Zurich on a Friday night, there was a thunderstorm over Heathrow. We were struck by lightning on approach and had to abort landing. We went back up but had missed our slot so we were up there for ages with the lightning flashing around us.
A lot of nervous passengers and a Senior stewardess who basically kept serving alcohol just to keep people in their seats.
I suspect there were some drivers over the limit on the M4 that night.

EKGEMS · 17/05/2021 23:06

Once-I was about to enter the lavatory and we hit a bit of strong turbulence and I had been hanging onto the back of a seat tightly "just in case" and had I not been I'd have been on the lap of a business man sitting there!

loginfail · 18/05/2021 08:13

@Mintjulia

I'm sure there are lots of rules and procedures that didn't exist 30 years ago.

Yes I know, I can personally attest to that fact .... Shock

FWIW the sort of emergency announcement you were referring to have been carefully scripted by the airlines pretty since Pontius was a pilot because the exact wording has a specific meaning for the cabin crew...

MagicSummer · 18/05/2021 08:58

@loginfail - I probably shouldn't ask, but could you give us some examples? I am one of those passengers who studies the crew's faces if I hear or see anything untoward during a flight!!

squashyhat · 18/05/2021 09:19

I'm enjoying this thread so much. I'm not keen on turbulence but love holidays in far flung destinations so I'll be back flying as soon as I can. Even I can appreciate there's something restful about bobbing up and down in the night 36000 feet over the Atlantic Grin

loginfail · 18/05/2021 09:22

...I'd rather not TBH... I'm no longer on the payroll but there might still be a bit of sensitivity to giving all the supposed secrets of the operations manual away, though I suppose I can say there's always a big hint if you hear of somebody being asked to report to the flight deck..

Certainly where I was working for over thirty years Wink the warning type announcements were not that covert..there was certainly nothing hidden in cod along the lines of:

"will the Smith party of 6 report to the forward galley"...

loginfail · 18/05/2021 09:23

cod Shock???...code..

backinthebox · 18/05/2021 10:15

Just backing up what loginfail has to say about announcements. They are extremely tightly scripted in order that there can be no ambiguity by either crew or passengers about what is being said. Most people might not have given it consideration, but airline crews rarely fly with the same pilot and cabin brew colleagues from one flight to the next. At my airline there are approximately 4000 pilots and 14000 cabin crew, and each and every one of us is examined on a yearly basis to ensure we know the correct terms and phrases for everything from speaking to Air Traffic Control to the words to use when opening an emergency exit. The exact words are Very Important and a cockpit voice recorder (and these days, any passenger video footage!) will be scrutinised to the nth degree in the case of any incident. If we are all using the exact same phrases then it doesn’t matter if we are with an entirely new set of crew that we have never met before, we still all do and say the same things. If someone went ‘off piste’ with announcements, it would alert the other crew to the fact that that crew member might not be either competent or coping with the situation. In fact, pilots are taught that a non-standard reply (or worse, no reply at all) to a question that requires a standard reply should be treated with suspicion and your colleague monitored to make sure they are doing everything else correctly. This is particularly important - a lack of response could indicate a sick pilot, for example which could be a problem at certain critical points. One of my favourite (if it’s possible to have a favourite part!) of the regular simulator training we receive is the exercise where the other pilot has to pretend to die part way through a landing in difficult conditions, and the usual clue for this happening is that they don’t respond to a question. If that happened for real, internally I would probably poo my pants, but the training I’ve had would be so ingrained that I would be able to do it all.

WRT aborted landings, flight and cabin crew call them go arounds. They are not common manoeuvres, but they are also not considered emergency manoeuvres. We practice these regularly in the simulator, for a variety of reasons and under a range of conditions. A go around could be carried out for any number of things -the most common reasons are when the aircraft ahead of you doesn’t get off the runway quickly enough (which is not uncommon at busier airports where the planes land one after another after another) the next most common reason probably a crosswind or tailwind being outside of the aircraft or pilot’s landing capability, or fog or cloud obscuring the pilot’s view of the runway. The thing to remember about go arounds is that the pilots will be evaluating the situation all the way through the approach, and while a go around may feel like a sudden manoeuvre to a passenger, the pilot will have been aware of the aircraft ahead, or the wind direction, or the thickness of the fog all the way down and the possibility of a go around kept at the front of their thoughts so that if they do have to do one, it will be a planned and controlled situation.

While many of the situations that have been described on this thread seem to be extreme and scary, to the crew on the day it will probably not have been. I’ve had various situations that have been surprising but we get training on controlling our startle reflex, and get on with the job. In fact, if it is possible to train an airline crew to deal with it, they have probably had the training. And if it is outside of the regular training we get, we also get given training modules on how to deal with events we have not trained specifically for. We are trained regularly and often - airline crew training is considered to be so tight that the medical profession has in recent years looked to aviation to see what they can learn from it.

MagicSummer · 18/05/2021 10:30

@backinthebox - that all sounds very reassuring. Thank you! (Speaking as a very nervous flyer who once tried to get back down the steps whilst all the other passengers were coming up them!).

FastFood · 18/05/2021 10:31

I've been twice in scary flights. The first one was a Venise - Paris, nothing terrible just hardcore turbulences, but I was terrified, I was above the wing and was 100% that the wing wouldn't withstand the turbulences. It did.

Second was similar, strong turbulences, but this time I was travelling with some friends who are air traffic controllers, they were perfectly relaxed so I chilled out.

In hindsight, nothing out of the ordinary with these flights, but its scary isn't it?

sashh · 18/05/2021 10:38

@WhatHaveIFound sedated by the crew? That is a lie dear. They are air crew, they cannot dispense controlled drugs.

I would imagine the person had medication on them and they were strongly encouraged by staff to take it.

It would have looked like the crew sedating the person. In a panic attack you cannot think straight so don't think to take meds even if you have them.

A lot of nervous passengers and a Senior stewardess who basically kept serving alcohol just to keep people in their seats. LOL at this, yes don't worry unless they tell you pour your drink into the seat in front.

You should not get the sort of turbulence that throws you into the ceiling these days as pilots can see from radar how bad it will be.

loginfail · 18/05/2021 11:27

You should not get the sort of turbulence that throws you into the ceiling these days as pilots can see from radar how bad it will be

Without wishing to frighten the nervous Weather radars "see" water droplets so they are really good at detecting thunderstorms, and the pilots can use the radar to steer around those.

OTOH and rather unfortunately there's also something known as "Clear Air Turbulence" (CAT) which is usually associated with the rapid changes in wind speed and/or direction at the edges of jet streams - that doesn't show on radars..

Pretty much the only way the pilots know if CAT is in the offing is either by looking at met charts that forecast it's position, and/or by listening for radio reports from other aircraft in the area ahead who may be already be running into the bumps...

There is often was a dedicated radio frequency for passing these reports, and for example over the Atlantic/other oceanic areas on a rough night you'd hear often hear, often almost non stop, a whole string of "turbulence reports" (or as the American's call them -"ride reports") being transmitted by between pilots on aircraft on the Atlantic routes..

backinthebox · 18/05/2021 12:06

There is often was a dedicated radio frequency for passing these reports, and for example over the Atlantic/other oceanic areas on a rough night you'd hear often hear, often almost non stop, a whole string of "turbulence reports" (or as the American's call them -"ride reports") being transmitted by between pilots on aircraft on the Atlantic routes American pilots like to ask about turbulence All The Time. Hmm Something to do with litigation. And if there should happen to be a gap in the ride report requests, one of them will fill it with a little harmonica tune or something else really irritating! Or ask for the results of the ball game, to which the only possible answer of course is 'which ball game - the soccer or the cricket?' That winds them up. Grin

ThewaterlilliesofGiverny · 18/05/2021 12:26

Yes, as a child on a transatlantic flight run by a Caribbean airline known for serving rum drinks (to adults!) and holding stewardess fashion shows.

Turbulence just after the fashion show had started - I remember one poor stewardess, dressed in loungewear, almost thrown down in the aisle down the airline before the show was stopped.

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