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Neighbour - not a typical problem (although I have those as well).

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DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 13:06

Not really sure if AIBU is best for this - but I am sure I might well be seen to be, to some extent. Also, so sorry that this content is my first post; I have been lurking for a while, and really hoped I could engage in some other way before bringing this up, but the situation is getting more problematic by the day.

I live next door to a small Social Housing apartment complex (8 properties, one of which is lived in by my best friend - who just happens to be a man, which is only slightly relevant - but he came here when his rotte father sold a millioon pouind farm and never gave him a bean - another story....). Many different people - at varying stages of life, and in differing circumstances, have come and gone over the 9 years I have lived here, in a semi-detached right alongside.

Earlier this year, a young lady I already knew from the area moved in to the ground floor one adjacent to my house. She has several issues (all of which are known to me, I'm not speculating), some are connected with mental health - well, all are I guess...... She openly says she is disabled (damaged at birth), and attributes her behaviours the disability, sometimes as a get-out I think. She has known me a long time, from days when I went to the Library quite often, and she was hanging out there (as also a Resource Centre), and sees me as a mother-figure I think, and also - to an extent - seems to respect me.

But having her so close is quite a trial..... also, she goes into the village (small town really), where I also go quite often, and seems to pop up wherevere I am - if she feels so inclined. Other days she will ignore me totoally - which is fine, but worrying....

She is 28 - and pregnant for the second time (the first baby was subject to Care proceedings as soon as he was born - largely due to the relationship she was in at that time - also turned out not to be baby's father). He was adopted at age two last year. She immediately became pregnant (implant removed) to another man, who is the son of a friend of mine. Both of HIS children are in Care.

When I knew she was coming here, we tried to establish boundaries - but it is just a big fail. She knocks on my door all the time, she knocks on my friend's door - even though - being male - she puts him in a spot. She tested positive for CoVid, and still came round, lterally coughing all over me.

She involves the Police in ANY falling-out she has with her "boyfriend" (he doesn't live there, just shows up at night - although he doesn't work - and leaves early, sends abusive messages to her, and is always telling he that he's "done". She accused him of rape the first night they slept together, and he spent a day and night in the cells. I have no idea what the hell he was playing at sleeping with her again, and this pregnancy being the result, although he is demanding a DNA test when she is born.

All of this sounds so much like gossip, and I promise it isn't. I recently decided I needed to protect my mind (due to my own ridiculous lifelong family issues) and be careful what I became involved with. But with this, I have no choice. I simply cannot be unkind to her - but due to her diagnosed "attachment disorder" - and the fact that I do seem to be patient with her and am somewhat motherly (she herself was adopted, but her adoptive parents, even though just around the corner - have virtyually cut her off) - she can be a bit too clingy - and I am so very worried what will happen when baby arrives (due 9/6) - even though Social Services are giving her VERY mixed messages about whether or not she can keep her (I am inclined to think it will be "not").

She has at least two |Social Workers (one for baby), a Support Worker - and a few other professionals involved. But I do know that she sees me and W (my friend) as being on-the-spot and therefore easier to come to for the more basic things. Sometimes several times a day.

BUT now, rows with neighbours are starting (and one or two were not too fond of me anyway) - to the point that relatives of theirs are following her into shops and verbally abusing and physically threatening her. So she involves the Police - and it escalates so quickly.

Anyone any ideas what I can do....?

I am so sorry for the wall of text, and what seems like a big whinge - but I am worried on so many levels - for her, for new baby into the world - for expectations of me (when I am quite fragile anyway - although never show it) and of W, and of how the trouble can get as bad here as it did where she was moved from (and also how that will rub off on me - and it will, I know how this kind of thing can happen).

I really tried to prevent problems, and have done what i can - but she does do such a lot herself, just by shouting at people and ignoring my advice (fwiww).....
.....help......

PS - I can do a diagram. I love a diagram, and I know MN does too.

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DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 18:59

@StrictlyAFemaleFemale

Are you familiar with grey rock strategies? Theyre usually recommended for dealing with abusive people but I think it might help you in this situation.

Lets focus on you. What steps do you need to take in order to move?

Ah - thank you. Yes, as the daughter of a very narcissistic father (and estranged - her decision, and a very long story - from a slightly less narcissistic mother), I have read quite a lot about how to cope with them (except they are not really in my life anyway, so it's more of an internal thing) and would love the small chance to be able to use grey-rocking in my dealings with them. So, in theory, yes - in practice, not much experience..... And it woulld be very hard with L, if not impossible.

As for moving - oh, big sigh....... Well, there is another aspect of life that is causing concern for me (self-inflicted also) - but out of this is coming a strong hope to move to Scotland (not for the reasons anyone might think), so that's what I need to find the mental fortitude and headspace to figure out.

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DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 19:03

@partyatthepalace

That’s a really tricky situation. It does sound like she needs more support than she’s getting - you also need to protect yourself, and her pestering of you is a form of harassment.

I think you need to talk to her social worker as it’s a safety issue.

The SW sounded so wishy-washy.
At one point, I thought of trying to locate her parents (another part of the village) - they have virtually abandoned her, and yet are still fostering (although they adopted her at a very young age) and in the reports L insisted on showing me, it is stated - and ackowledged, it seemed - that the foster baby they have at the moment takes absolute priority.
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DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 19:05

I think it might become a safety issue if I deflect her too much..... But it is OK while I am nice to her.

Safety as in , her possibly self-harming - or actions towards me if I change my tune.

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WiddlinDiddlin · 12/05/2021 19:12

Ugh...

I wish I had useful advice to offer but despite being in a similar sounding situation... I really don't.

The first time it was resolved by social services moving the person elsewhere (similar set up, her mental age in no way matched her biological age, multiple kids born and straight into care, pregnant with another, but also compulsive liar and a limpet and a manipulator of people).

I found myself at 3am caring for a 9 month old baby that was a/not hers b/I didn't know whose it was and c/was meant to have been picked up by 11pm the previous night ... she'd offered to baby sit this child and then couldn't and sent me out to meet the OTHER baby sitter to collect child (other baby sitter turned out to be a child herself and she'd had this kid for 12 hours already!)...

I realised what a dangerous situation I had allowed myself to be manipulated into and called social services and the police!

Another time and another person - ended up with this person calling me at all hours, for hours on end, dumping all her mental load on me, trying to involve me in her drama, asking me to cover for her lies (did not, refused to do so)... that one I cut all contact with as her lies started to unravel quite rapidly and she tried to come between me and my best friend!

The stress that caused really shocked me, my blood pressure was through the roof (and its normally low), I was on edge constantly, not sleeping well, I really only realised how much I was struggling when I cut contact and could finally relax!

If you've the option to move. I'd move!

Tiredbear1011 · 12/05/2021 19:17

From a distance it is easy for me to sit here and write this but I think it might be worth contacting the HA and reporting anti social behaviour, they will have ongoing conversations with the SW's too, it'll prove she isn't capable of living on her own and hopefully she'll make her way in to sheltered accommodation or something alike, you have to put your wellbeing first to be honest, you've tried setting boundaries and everything so try not to feel bad!! The SW's need a clear picture regarding the baby too even though she has had one taken to care already I know they try second chances but as judgemental as I feel saying this that shouldn't be at the expense of an innocent child..

I hope the situation works its self out for you!

Tiredbear1011 · 12/05/2021 19:20

Is the SW's seem useless contact Safeguarding (Google will point you where to go) :)

DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 19:32

@WiddlinDiddlin

Ugh...

I wish I had useful advice to offer but despite being in a similar sounding situation... I really don't.

The first time it was resolved by social services moving the person elsewhere (similar set up, her mental age in no way matched her biological age, multiple kids born and straight into care, pregnant with another, but also compulsive liar and a limpet and a manipulator of people).

I found myself at 3am caring for a 9 month old baby that was a/not hers b/I didn't know whose it was and c/was meant to have been picked up by 11pm the previous night ... she'd offered to baby sit this child and then couldn't and sent me out to meet the OTHER baby sitter to collect child (other baby sitter turned out to be a child herself and she'd had this kid for 12 hours already!)...

I realised what a dangerous situation I had allowed myself to be manipulated into and called social services and the police!

Another time and another person - ended up with this person calling me at all hours, for hours on end, dumping all her mental load on me, trying to involve me in her drama, asking me to cover for her lies (did not, refused to do so)... that one I cut all contact with as her lies started to unravel quite rapidly and she tried to come between me and my best friend!

The stress that caused really shocked me, my blood pressure was through the roof (and its normally low), I was on edge constantly, not sleeping well, I really only realised how much I was struggling when I cut contact and could finally relax!

If you've the option to move. I'd move!

That sounds awful!! And depressingly similar in terms of her behaviour, although she is not going as far as involving other (people's) children. What a nighmare for you..... and yes, it has an invisible effect that you don't realise until you are released from the situation. I know that my physical health has declined, and my already semi-fragile mental state is heading in a downward direction. This is not visibly apparent to anyone though - just something I am aware of myself.

And this is so far without new baby on the scene. If I don't get away before she comes, I am almost certain to be drawn - however hard I try to stay out of it - into whatever happens. But she is - like the one you had to deal with - incredibly manipulative.

I am praying that the Mother & Baby Unit really is an option, and that she can be honestly and fully supported.

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toocold54 · 12/05/2021 19:32

You have to put yourself first OP. Sometimes the more you give someone the more they will take.

I would definitely distance myself and be kind but firm. If she has issues it may be that she doesn’t get the hint and you need to be more direct.

DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 19:39

@Tiredbear1011

From a distance it is easy for me to sit here and write this but I think it might be worth contacting the HA and reporting anti social behaviour, they will have ongoing conversations with the SW's too, it'll prove she isn't capable of living on her own and hopefully she'll make her way in to sheltered accommodation or something alike, you have to put your wellbeing first to be honest, you've tried setting boundaries and everything so try not to feel bad!! The SW's need a clear picture regarding the baby too even though she has had one taken to care already I know they try second chances but as judgemental as I feel saying this that shouldn't be at the expense of an innocent child..

I hope the situation works its self out for you!

Thank you - yes, you're right. I would be hesitant to contact the HA - and besides, they have just moved a drug addict in above her (therefore next door to me as well), they just tick a box and then hands off.

I don't think the (or her own, not sure about unborn baby's) SW really has a full picture - and I'm not even sure there is any joined-up thinking (which I am sure there should be....). I agree that everything should be done to prevent the possibility of harm to this new baby, and - even though ANYONE can just pop out a baby it seems [sorry; judgemental] - one wonders what they actually expect when someone in this situation and with this disability is given (or had CLAIMED) a second chance.

Deep down, I am quite cross about it anyway - but I don't show it, how couold I?

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DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 19:42

@toocold54

You have to put yourself first OP. Sometimes the more you give someone the more they will take.

I would definitely distance myself and be kind but firm. If she has issues it may be that she doesn’t get the hint and you need to be more direct.

Oh so true - and she is a a needy person even when not pregnant. She tries to offer things in return, and has tried some "baking", having had some of my "famous" cheescake..... But her reasons for making things (pretty inedible, I'm sorry to say) are just to come and visit and not be rejected because she is bearing "gifts".
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Beancounter1 · 12/05/2021 19:42

Sorry to be blunt, but you are just too "nice", in a really unhealthy way. You need to grow a backbone, put yourself first, and wash your hands of problems that are not yours.

It is not your problem, and nothing to do with you, if the baby is breech.

It is not your problem, and nothing to do with you, if the baby is taken into care at birth.

It is not your problem, and nothing to do with you, if the baby comes home with your neighbour then is taken into care later.

It is not your problem, and nothing to do with you, if this woman is a walking-talking disaster with a car-crash of a life. Or if she is has a learning disability, or terrible adoptive parents.

It is not your problem, and nothing to do with you, if your neighbours adoptive parents are continuing to foster - how is that relevant to your life?

Why are you so involved? I mean, you have explained your reasons, but really, are these good reasons? I think not.
If you can't put up effective boundaries around yourself you will have to move.

Tiredbear1011 · 12/05/2021 19:58

I live in HA and I have a neighbour almost the same, I've complained to HA of ASB and she is in the process of being moved (other neighbours have complained too) it isn't the nicest experience living here because you do seem to get the 💩 end of society but I also have some really lovely neighbours that care about the environment we live in.. maybe just complain like buggery lol!

Dont get me started about the baby part.. I'm sure I'd have stones being hurled at me for my views but let's just say I think there should be a commonsense exam before having children especially if you've already had children taken in to care. I work with homeless and MH so its hard to have faith in humanity some times :(

DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 19:59

@Beancounter1

Sorry to be blunt, but you are just too "nice", in a really unhealthy way. You need to grow a backbone, put yourself first, and wash your hands of problems that are not yours.

It is not your problem, and nothing to do with you, if the baby is breech.

It is not your problem, and nothing to do with you, if the baby is taken into care at birth.

It is not your problem, and nothing to do with you, if the baby comes home with your neighbour then is taken into care later.

It is not your problem, and nothing to do with you, if this woman is a walking-talking disaster with a car-crash of a life. Or if she is has a learning disability, or terrible adoptive parents.

It is not your problem, and nothing to do with you, if your neighbours adoptive parents are continuing to foster - how is that relevant to your life?

Why are you so involved? I mean, you have explained your reasons, but really, are these good reasons? I think not.
If you can't put up effective boundaries around yourself you will have to move.

You are quite right.. She overshares to me, probably because I have known her a while, and also because she knows she is a few years younger than my own daughter.

And so I, in a probable search for validation, have overshared on here.

In part (oh, here we go), because my own family life has been a wreck from the age of three, I do not feel able to be as detached as I probably should. But I could not have predicted her coming to live next door - or my own pathetic inability to cope with it.

So, no - the reasons are definitely not the healthiest, I agree. And with my big mouth (on a keyboard at least), I am definitely not even helping matters.

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DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 20:11

@Tiredbear1011

I live in HA and I have a neighbour almost the same, I've complained to HA of ASB and she is in the process of being moved (other neighbours have complained too) it isn't the nicest experience living here because you do seem to get the 💩 end of society but I also have some really lovely neighbours that care about the environment we live in.. maybe just complain like buggery lol!

Dont get me started about the baby part.. I'm sure I'd have stones being hurled at me for my views but let's just say I think there should be a commonsense exam before having children especially if you've already had children taken in to care. I work with homeless and MH so its hard to have faith in humanity some times :(

Yes, HA housing can be, let's say, not great...... These apartments were taken on by a HA when the orginal builder went bust, so that was not the initial plan. I did once upon a time own a house with my husband but I had a pretty useless Solicitor, who let me be royally shafted by an aduterious husband who also used our child as a weapon. I ended up privately renting and have been stuck in it ever since. The cost of renting has meant that I moved from a country village to ---- here, with one of the worst streets in the borough right alongside (to the back), and these apartments and othe PRs nearby are the step up that they can accomplish by having kids and getting more money. That is not judging, it is evidently what happens. Every single person nearby smokes weed - or worse; especially my joined-on neighbour - who has every week a gathering of about eight of his playmates, I mean friends - who smoke weed outside on the garden, which is effectively just about in my garden - which is rendered useless. My asking them to not do it resulted ina hate campaign from the back road, imvolving amplifiers/music until four a.m., a police style searchlight, and dozens of eggs and bottles thrown at my house - and me. This year so far, it is just rocks and stones being thrown sigh

The worst thing about the eggs was that some landed on the roof and were then washed into my water butt, stinking out my plant water.

(Oops - more oversharing)

I agree that some kind of suitability test (I know, against human rights) shown be taken before breeding. If it had been, I know I would never have come into the world.

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DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 20:16

Re smoking weed - it is the gathering that is once maybe twice a week (oh Easter was every day for four days - the joy!). the man-child who lives there (wih his partner and their 2 year-old) smokes it aaalllll the time.

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Trytrytryasimight · 12/05/2021 20:21

Goodness op you're in a horrible situation and I'm so sorry to hear this.

You're trying to be nice and you are in a vulnerable position and you are being triggered by this woman's boundary over stepping and vulnerability. I feel for you. It is a horrible situation for you to witness.

Trytrytryasimight · 12/05/2021 20:22

Is there anyway you could move?

DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 20:22

@Trytrytryasimight

Goodness op you're in a horrible situation and I'm so sorry to hear this.

You're trying to be nice and you are in a vulnerable position and you are being triggered by this woman's boundary over stepping and vulnerability. I feel for you. It is a horrible situation for you to witness.

Thank you x It is such a dilemma Sad
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DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 20:24

@Trytrytryasimight

Is there anyway you could move?
It would not be easy - especially in today's world and my circumstances.

I can see myself living in the motorhome that I was just about to sell because I never used it.

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Tehmina23 · 12/05/2021 20:29

Look you have nightmare neighbours & don't have to worry about getting a sale as you rent your property.. personally I would move well away.

katy1213 · 12/05/2021 20:29

You don't need other people's chaos in your life. It's not as if it helps them, anyway. Stop making yourself available - don't answer the door - just don't engage in any way. You don't have to rescue people, and especially not because you feel you're a social cut above. Leave the undeserving poor to social services and stop playing Lady Bountiful.

BetterThanKleenex · 12/05/2021 20:33

Wow this is a tricky situation! Definitely need more than a diagram to get through this one...

I think your only option, other than moving, is to contact your local authoritiy adult social services and explain why you think the care she's recieving isn't adequate and the issues that's causing for you. If you raise your position as her make-do carer/therapist/friend/parent/shoulder to cry on and explain that pushing her away will only put you in danger, they might be interested in helping both of you. If only her social worker gets involved, try to speak to someone not involved in her 'case' and seek help for you, rather than her.

I totally understand that you're stuck between a rock and a hard place with regards to being nice to her/pushing her away as both options are causing harm.

But if and when this is dealt with- would you consider getting some help for yourself too? You've mentioned a few things that this situation has brought up, maybe you could benefit from some help too, even if it's just to let it all out. Hope things work out for you OP, you sound like you deserve a happy, peaceful life!

DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 20:33

@katy1213

You don't need other people's chaos in your life. It's not as if it helps them, anyway. Stop making yourself available - don't answer the door - just don't engage in any way. You don't have to rescue people, and especially not because you feel you're a social cut above. Leave the undeserving poor to social services and stop playing Lady Bountiful.
I worried that's what it might seem like - oh I wish I WAS Lady Bountiful. It's not saying much but yes, I AM a "social cut" above. But I am also what you refer to as "undeserving poor", believe me.

But you would not believe how fast she gets out of her door when she sees my car lights go on - it is not as clear cut asnot answering the door.

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New2ctc · 12/05/2021 20:43

No-one on here would think you're weird or weak for wanting to move.

In fact, maybe you're weird for NOT wanting to move from this chaos, you need neighbours similar to you.

DumbestBlonde · 12/05/2021 20:44

@BetterThanKleenex

Wow this is a tricky situation! Definitely need more than a diagram to get through this one...

I think your only option, other than moving, is to contact your local authoritiy adult social services and explain why you think the care she's recieving isn't adequate and the issues that's causing for you. If you raise your position as her make-do carer/therapist/friend/parent/shoulder to cry on and explain that pushing her away will only put you in danger, they might be interested in helping both of you. If only her social worker gets involved, try to speak to someone not involved in her 'case' and seek help for you, rather than her.

I totally understand that you're stuck between a rock and a hard place with regards to being nice to her/pushing her away as both options are causing harm.

But if and when this is dealt with- would you consider getting some help for yourself too? You've mentioned a few things that this situation has brought up, maybe you could benefit from some help too, even if it's just to let it all out. Hope things work out for you OP, you sound like you deserve a happy, peaceful life!

Haha, I don't think a diagram would even help.... Grin

Your thoughful advice is very valuable, thank you - and your description of "make-do carer/therapist/friend/parent/shoulder to cry on" sums it up perfectly! I am certainly doing more for her than for my own daughter - who doesn;t need me anyway.

I have needed help myself anyway, on and off, throughout my life (that old nasty start chestnut), most recently for EDs. But I wouldn't think anhyone would think I need help, as I present very differently in real life. I think gthat is part of why L is a bit of a problem, as she can catch me off guard - when there have been times when I did not even leave my house in daylight.

On one hand, I have been forced to come out into the light so to speak - but there is a definite downside, especially in this area where I have had the problems already, without the addition of someone with no filter and no volume dial.

Thank you again for your understanding of the issues and kind words.

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