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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To be unsure whether I actually even like this ‘friend’?

29 replies

StillCoughingandLaughing · 12/05/2021 12:16

I’ll try (but will probably fail) to keep it simple...

I had a friend at school, Kate (NHRN). We were in the same school year, but she was one of the oldest and I was one of the youngest. She was very keen to grow up quickly - out clubbing at 15 etc. - and essentially thought I was a bit wet for not doing the same. She always thought she was more mature than everyone else, and as such always knew best.

She could also be VERY blunt when she thought she was right and you were wrong. One of these many occasions led us to fall out about two months before we did our GCSEs. Despite her much-vaunted maturity and insistence that she wouldn’t be staying on for sixth form to be treated like a child - and her ‘honest’ admission that she probably wouldn’t bother keeping in touch with people - she actually did stay on, while ironically, I left to do my A Levels at college. As such, we never really made up. I did run into her a couple of times a few years later and we made small talk, and we became friends on Facebook years later, but were never actively in touch.

I didn’t see her again until a school reunion a few years ago. This time we actually did talk about the past properly and made things up. I honestly thought I’d probably never see her again, but a few weeks later, Lucy, who’d organised the reunion, messaged a few of us to say how much she’d enjoyed it and did we fancy another night. We’ve done it a few times now, irregularly due to distance, but it’s always fun.

Kate told us at one of the meet-ups that she’d been having relationship problems, before announcing a split on Facebook a few weeks later. As we both live in London (not our home town), I’d messaged her to say I was sorry to hear her news and did she fancy a drink. She said thanks, it was still a bit raw at the moment, but she’d be in touch. It never happened. A while afterwards, I added her to a group chat about my birthday drinks and she left it without a word. Fair enough if she doesn’t want to go, but it takes seconds to type ‘Sorry, can’t make it - have fun!’

We’ve had group meets since, but to be honest, her attitude has taken the shine off them. I met Lucy and a couple of the others once without her when I was back home, and they were all asking how Kate was. I felt a fool saying ‘No idea’. But it’s not just that. Maybe I’m looking for issues now, but I’ve noticed a lot of what she puts on Facebook is quite judgemental and ‘I know best’. At one of our meets, she told one of our friends that she ‘needs to start dressing like a grown-up’ - more of her famous honesty. I’m starting to feel like all the reasons I’d had enough of her at 15 are still there all these years later.

Now that COVID restrictions are ending, Lucy has been messaging trying to find a date for us all to meet again. As much as I’d like to see her and the others, I don’t know if I can be arsed with a night of The Kate Show. I could easily combine it with a trip home, but why travel 100 miles to devote time to someone who doesn’t bother with me when we’re a Tube ride apart? AIBU to make my excuses and try to meet the others another time?

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LagneyandCasey · 12/05/2021 12:23

I can't be arsed with rude people. I'd be giving her a wide berth.

Meowchickameowmeow · 12/05/2021 12:24

You very clearly don't like her and if her famous honestly is as bad as it sounds then I'm guessing your not the only one in the group who feels that way.
I wouldn't travel a 100 miles to spend time with someone I don't enjoy.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 12/05/2021 12:29

Tell Lucy the truth! 'I don't want to organise to meet Kate because she's still rude and I don't like her.' And get rid of Kate entirely. Life is too short.

Fatladyslim · 12/05/2021 12:50

I would probably go but just avoid her, it isn't her you are going to see but the rest of them. Equally she might not go anyway so I would be reluctant to say no, only for her not to bother.

Nonmaquillee · 12/05/2021 12:52

I wouldn’t bother. Time to move on.

DrSbaitso · 12/05/2021 12:54

Yes, you're very unreasonable to be unsure. You've not got one good thing to say about her and the entire post is all about her failings. Clearly you dislike her and you aren't close, so what exactly is the issue? Just say you can't make it and arrange to see the others.

mainsfed · 12/05/2021 13:00

It sounds like you want to decline the invite because you're embarrassed that she didn't seem to want to meet up with you one on one (you say you felt foolish having no idea how she was when others asked after her).

I would just go and focus on those you get on with. You can't be accepted to be friends just because you both live in London now.

mainsfed · 12/05/2021 13:01

*expected

Curiosity101 · 12/05/2021 13:02

I would probably go but just avoid her, it isn't her you are going to see but the rest of them.

I was thinking this too. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. I wouldn't bother with Kate moving forward or feel awkward that I 'should' be friends with her. But equally, that doesn't mean you have to avoid every social occasion she might be attending.

JackieTheFart · 12/05/2021 13:16

You don’t like her and she’s not a friend. You might have cleared the air with her, but she’s not your friend.

Just tell Lucy you’d like to meet up with her and others but you’re not friends with Kate so are not arsed about her attendance. It doesn’t have to be rude - you won’t ignore her or anything - but you’re not friends so there’s no point arranging stuff around her and you when you’re not close.

The others obviously think you’re friends else they wouldn’t have asked after her. Just be honest.

Poptart4 · 12/05/2021 13:21

I think YABU to stop doing something you enjoy because of one person. She snubbed you so now you're understandably upset. But before that you were able to enjoy her company as part of a group, theres no reason you can't keep doing that.

StillCoughingandLaughing · 12/05/2021 13:22

You can't be accepted to be friends just because you both live in London now.

It’s not a case of expectation based on proximity - otherwise I’d be close friends with dozens of former colleagues, for example. It’s more that she’s happy to actively travel to spend time with me (and of course other friends), but doesn’t see me as part of her ‘real’ life, if you like. It’s probably not clear from my first post, but these aren’t repeated school reunion nights with dozens of people; there’s never been more than six or seven of us there.

Maybe some people just prefer to compartmentalise. Perhaps to Kate, I’m a school friend and therefore only someone she’d ever see around other school friends. To me, a friend is just a friend, however you met.

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Lumene · 12/05/2021 13:27

You don’t sound like you like her much. What has you feeling like you should meet her at all?

Ponoka7 · 12/05/2021 13:29

I voted YABU because your in danger of not seeing your friends because of her and then she can turn it around that you are the problem. I've seen people cut out in those circumstances.
For whatever reason she doesn't want to be close friends. I don't see the issue tbh.

EssentialHummus · 12/05/2021 13:29

I suspect everyone’s equally fed up of her. I’d go to the group meet ups if you’d like to see the others, but if anyone asks you how Kate is be honest and say you’re not in touch one on one.

thepeopleversuswork · 12/05/2021 13:30

She sounds like a bit of a PITA, the kindest interpretation is that she had a lot of growing up to do and you clearly don't like her much.

After a while you learn that having friends out of a sense of responsibility and nostalgia is more trouble than its worth.

Cut your losses and don't waste valuable time on her.

Branleuse · 12/05/2021 14:32

seems pretty clear to me that youre not the same sort of people. I wouldnt dramatically unfriend her, but I definitely wouldnt go out of my way to keep in touch with her or meet up

TheGoogleMum · 12/05/2021 14:46

Some people do keep different friendship groups strictly apart. I think its a little odd and agree a friend is a friend but maybe Kate is weird about it so yes you come under school friend. She does sound a bit annoying.

StillCoughingandLaughing · 12/05/2021 15:08

@JackieTheFart

You don’t like her and she’s not a friend. You might have cleared the air with her, but she’s not your friend.

Just tell Lucy you’d like to meet up with her and others but you’re not friends with Kate so are not arsed about her attendance. It doesn’t have to be rude - you won’t ignore her or anything - but you’re not friends so there’s no point arranging stuff around her and you when you’re not close.

The others obviously think you’re friends else they wouldn’t have asked after her. Just be honest.

I think this is the best approach. I can always casually arrange to see the others on a trip home; Kate’s family don’t live in our home town anymore, so anything with her would have to be arranged well in advance.
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StillCoughingandLaughing · 12/05/2021 15:09

@JackieTheFart

You don’t like her and she’s not a friend. You might have cleared the air with her, but she’s not your friend.

Just tell Lucy you’d like to meet up with her and others but you’re not friends with Kate so are not arsed about her attendance. It doesn’t have to be rude - you won’t ignore her or anything - but you’re not friends so there’s no point arranging stuff around her and you when you’re not close.

The others obviously think you’re friends else they wouldn’t have asked after her. Just be honest.

I think this is the best approach. I can always casually arrange to see the others on a trip home; Kate’s family don’t live in our home town anymore, so anything with her would have to be arranged well in advance.
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StillCoughingandLaughing · 12/05/2021 15:19

@Lumene

You don’t sound like you like her much. What has you feeling like you should meet her at all?
Do you why did I ever want to meet up with her? Because after the first couple of group meets, I felt we were developing a proper adult friendship. It seems I was wrong and, once I’d realised that, the scales fell from my eyes a bit and I saw how little she’d changed in some ways.
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katy1213 · 12/05/2021 15:30

Surely you can have a friendship with the others without including her? She wasn't a friend at school- she isn't a friend now - why all the angst?

TheGoogleMum · 12/05/2021 15:42

Some people do keep different friendship groups strictly apart. I think its a little odd and agree a friend is a friend but maybe Kate is weird about it so yes you come under school friend. She does sound a bit annoying.

CorvusPurpureus · 12/05/2021 15:59

If Lucy can be trusted (ie. she won't go straight to Kate & blab that you don't want to hang out with her), & you really dislike Kate that much, AND you are not that bothered about Lucy & the others, I'd just message Lucy quietly.

Say something like: 'Actually Kate & I don't have much in common - we didn't get on at school, & we're still very different. I've made an effort & suggested a drink a couple of times, but she's clearly not arsed, which is of course her prerogative. So when I'm next in Hometown, I'd love to meet up with you & , but Kate & I just don't get on so I'll skip this one & catch up with you another time?'

Of course it comes down to how Lucy & the rest of the group feel about Kate. If they all adore her, they'll quite possibly decide they'd rather invite her & if you want to exclude yourself, that's up to you. If they are secretly fed up with her too, but inviting her because they think you two are bosom London buddies, they'll be happy to hear they don't have to include her.

So it depends on how bothered you are about hanging out with Lucy & co as to whether you take that risk.

FWIW, I have an old Uni frenemy like this. My 'Kate' & I manage to be perfectly civil to each other when our old gang get together, & in fact we've both mellowed over the years & I'm genuinely pleased to see her (in small doses!) but we'd definitely not maintain the friendship if we didn't have the mutual friends.

We just get on each others' tits, have done for 30 years, & likely will still be irritating each other in another 30 if we are all still in touch. It is what it is - the rest of the group are my oldest, & amongst my closest, friends, so I'm happy to be surface friendly with 'Kate'.

StillCoughingandLaughing · 12/05/2021 16:01

@katy1213

Surely you can have a friendship with the others without including her? She wasn't a friend at school- she isn't a friend now - why all the angst?
I wouldn’t call it ‘angst’... it’s just that in practical terms, we’ve virtually always met up as a group. That’s not to say I couldn’t meet the others without her; it will just need a bit more planning.
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